Player Discussion Julien Gauthier

[NYRFANMANI]

Buchnevich will be under appreciated as long as he’s here. People are out to lunch. He’s even added feistiness to his game and ability to battle on the boards and win battles. Guy has guts. Not to mention his skill. He’s killing penalties now and people want to toss him out. None of those RWs are ready to step up.

See I totally agree with the sentiments on Buch, dude stepped up this season and is a 1st line player, absolute warrior for us.

I generally want to keep Buch, but Kakko and Kravtsov need the ice-time and both look ready to step up/ imo already have stepped up.

If we get a nice offer (2 high picks + A grade prospect), I think you have to do it.

I hope teams that are asking, are valuing Buch correctly. If not, re-sign with no NTC/NMC, re-evaluate next season.

 

[Anthony5967]

See I totally agree with the sentiments on Buch, dude stepped up this season and is a 1st line player, absolute warrior for us.

I generally want to keep Buch, but Kakko and Kravtsov need the ice-time and both look ready to step up/ imo already have stepped up.

If we get a nice offer (2 high picks + A grade prospect), I think you have to do it.

I hope teams that are asking, are valuing Buch correctly. If not, re-sign with no NTC/NMC, re-evaluate next season.

I agree. I’m just saying I wouldn’t move him for a lowball offer.

 

[LetsGoRangers2021]

Buchnevich will be under appreciated as long as he’s here. People are out to lunch. He’s even added feistiness to his game and ability to battle on the boards and win battles. Guy has guts. Not to mention his skill. He’s killing penalties now and people want to toss him out. None of those RWs are ready to step up.

i havw to agree with this one even though I have never been that high on him. He has stepped up big time and is a Ranger. He looks like he has a great relationship with a bunch of our core and that matters too.

I see the other side of the coin, but it has been mentioned- there are ALOT of “what ifs”

if he demanded too high of a contract or we were offered some ridiculous deal (like the unrealistic one someone mentioned earlier) then we think about it.

 

[Sayba]

Buchnevich will be under appreciated as long as he’s here. People are out to lunch. He’s even added feistiness to his game and ability to battle on the boards and win battles. Guy has guts. Not to mention his skill. He’s killing penalties now and people want to toss him out. None of those RWs are ready to step up.

So we should have paid him instead of Kreider but we didn't? Do you suggest we continue going forward with Kravtsov and Lafreniere as 3rd line players?

The reason you all want to keep him is the same reason we should get a very good return for a center.

 

[Anthony5967]

So we should have paid him instead of Kreider but we didn't? Do you suggest we continue going forward with Kravtsov and Lafreniere as 3rd line players?

The reason you all want to keep him is the same reason we should get a very good return for a center.

I’m not opposed to moving him but it all depends on price.

 

[True Blue]

So we should have paid him instead of Kreider but we didn't? Do you suggest we continue going forward with Kravtsov and Lafreniere as 3rd line players?

The reason you all want to keep him is the same reason we should get a very good return for a center.

Judging through a prison with benefits of hindsight is wonderful but not very practical.

The reality is that we have always know that eventually Krieder was going to the third line. And continue to be one of the best net front presences in the league. When that is is up to Lafreniere.

and what does Lafreniere have to do with Buchnevich? They play opposite sides.

In your world, what does the trade return profile for Buchnevich look like? And don’t say “good young center”. What’s the example?

 

[LetsGoRangers2021]

So we should have paid him instead of Kreider but we didn't? Do you suggest we continue going forward with Kravtsov and Lafreniere as 3rd line players?

The reason you all want to keep him is the same reason we should get a very good return for a center.

At the time, Kreider was both the better player and the more known commodity. I think we trade Kreids at that time if we knew we would get the Kak AND Laf.

How about we not worry about that and let laf and krav earn their way up into the top 6? Then we can reassess.

It really shouldn’t be that difficult- the players that are playing like the 6 best players in their positions (ie the 6 best players) will play on the first two lines. Hopefully soon, that means Buch and Kreids are third liners in 1-2 years. It is not this year by eye test or fancy stats or real stats. Not difficult couch coaches.

 

[Blais to Win]

Always good to stay positive.

If it were up to me I’d look to clear the deck for the new blood to get meaningful experience on the right side, though.

 

[TominNC]

We only have 1 making money and that is Trouba. If he could be traded I would consider that as well.

At some point you need to play the best team you can. Choosing Gauthier over Buch doesn't seem wise.

 

[Sayba]

At some point you need to play the best team you can. Choosing Gauthier over Buch doesn't seem wise.

Let's say in a year or 2 from now. Kravtsov, Lafreniere, Kakko are out playing Kreider and Buch. If we signed Buch to let's say to the same deal as Kreider. We would have 2 3rd line wingers making 6+ million.

If we are going to be a winning, Stanley cup team we need those guys to be better than Kreider/Buch. We can't have them being better and have both of Kreider/Buch anchoring the cap on the 3rd line.

 

[True Blue]

Let's say in a year or 2 from now. Kravtsov, Lafreniere, Kakko are out playing Kreider and Buch. If we signed Buch to let's say to the same deal as Kreider. We would have 2 3rd line wingers making 6+ million.

If we are going to be a winning, Stanley cup team we need those guys to be better than Kreider/Buch. We can't have them being better and have both of Kreider/Buch anchoring the cap on the 3rd line.

1) do you know all 3 will be better?
2) you keep pivoting. Are we discussing Buchnevich or Kreider?
3) in 2 years, Buchnevich will be 27 years old. At $6-6.5m, a 27 year old, two way RW that’s a legit top liner is VERY tradeable.

 

[Sayba]

1) do you know all 3 will be better?
2) you keep pivoting. Are we discussing Buchnevich or Kreider?
3) in 2 years, Buchnevich will be 27 years old. At $6-6.5m, a 27 year old, two way RW that’s a legit top liner is VERY tradeable.

We don't know that but if they aren't we won't be winning anyway most likely.

I'm not pivoting, the Kreider contract directly impacts the ability to sign Buch.

We would get more for Buch now than we would with him at that contract /age. How much would we get now for Kreider with his contract vs if we dealt him last year at the deadline?

 

[True Blue]

We don't know that but if they aren't we won't be winning anyway most likely.

I'm not pivoting, the Kreider contract directly impacts the ability to sign Buch.

We would get more for Buch now than we would with him at that contract /age. How much would we get now for Kreider with his contract vs if we dealt him last year at the deadline?

1) if they aren’t, you still have a young two-way stud on the top line’s right side.
2) Kreider’s contract came under much different circumstances. And he and Buch play two different sides.
3) you are not answering the question. What does the return profile for Buch look like?

 

[Sayba]

1) if they aren’t, you still have a young two-way stud on the top line’s right side.
2) Kreider’s contract came under much different circumstances. And he and Buch play two different sides.
3) you are not answering the question. What does the return profile for Buch look like?

3. A prospect plus a draft pick. Krebs, Newhook, Lundell, Jarvis , Holloway, Perfetti, Morozov, Rossi, are players on teams that could be buyers. If we aren't able to get an already drafted center prospect, trade for picks and we can potentially trade picks and other maybe defensive prospects for a centern or draft a center. The point is to sell high while we can with top prospects behind Buch.

We can also consider trading Buch for prospects / picks is part of a bigger trade for an established center (Eichel). IE get the top prospects we can regardless of position knowing we are going to flip them for Eichel without giving up Kravtsov / Lafreniere / Kakko.

If Buch can't land this type of deal then it puts us in a tricky spot which is where we are now and will be even more so in the coming years.

 

[True Blue]

3. A prospect plus a draft pick. Krebs, Newhook, Lundell, Jarvis , Holloway, Perfetti, Morozov, Rossi, are players on teams that could be buyers. If we aren't able to get an already drafted center prospect, trade for picks and we can potentially trade picks and other maybe defensive prospects for a centern or draft a center. The point is to sell high while we can with top prospects behind Buch.

We can also consider trading Buch for prospects / picks is part of a bigger trade for an established center (Eichel). IE get the top prospects we can regardless of position knowing we are going to flip them for Eichel without giving up Kravtsov / Lafreniere / Kakko.

If Buch can't land this type of deal then it puts us in a tricky spot which is where we are now and will be even more so in the coming years.

I am not so sure that Gorton will deal a legit top line, two-way playing 25 year old RW for just futures. Unless the "futures" includes a ready to step into the everyday line up type of prospect. I guess that is possible. But then look at what teams are looking for such a player and can afford him. Take Colorado for instance. You want them to give up Newhook, but are they going to trade for Buchnevich to play on their second line AND pay him to the raise that he is going to be looking for?

 

[Sayba]

I am not so sure that Gorton will deal a legit top line, two-way playing 25 year old RW for just futures. Unless the "futures" includes a ready to step into the everyday line up type of prospect. I guess that is possible. But then look at what teams are looking for such a player and can afford him. Take Colorado for instance. You want them to give up Newhook, but are they going to trade for Buchnevich to play on their second line AND pay him to the raise that he is going to be looking for?

If they think they can win the cup this year they have to consider going all in.

 

[cwede]

this was posted elsewhere...
would NYR consider Gauthier for the younger Tuch?
Luke Tuch Hockey Stats and Profile at hockeydb.com

Montreal could be on the market for players that other teams can't protect for the Seattle draft.
Montreal has so many UFAs that they could afford to wait to sign them and instead use protection slots on other players.
If you look at their forwards, Evans and Lehkonen could be protected right now. Bergevin could easily acquire a forward to protected instead of them. An upgrade
... Furthermore, Seattle is more likely to pick Jake Allen from us anyway, so our forwards and dmen are relatively safe.
Is there any upgrade out there for Montreal on forward or defense that they could land for some picks (2nd, 3rd) or mid-level prospects?
Salary isn't much of an issue, we have a lot of flexibility. I'm sure we can work something out even for expensive players. As long as they are actually good and feel like an upgrade for us
Offer away!

 

[Peltz]

I am not so sure that Gorton will deal a legit top line, two-way playing 25 year old RW for just futures. Unless the "futures" includes a ready to step into the everyday line up type of prospect. I guess that is possible. But then look at what teams are looking for such a player and can afford him. Take Colorado for instance. You want them to give up Newhook, but are they going to trade for Buchnevich to play on their second line AND pay him to the raise that he is going to be looking for?

Reminds me of a Brassard for Zibanejad type of deal. Those are difficult "home run" trades to hit though.

 

[True Blue]

Reminds me of a Brassard for Zibanejad type of deal. Those are difficult "home run" trades to hit though.

Yeah, the likelihood of such returns are really small.

 

[cwede]

more likely than ever that Gauthier is among the F's unprotected and exposed to Seattle,
along w Rooney and either Howden or Blackwell

Krav's emergence blocking his icetime even more
unless/until NYR has some attrition (injuries/Covid/suspensions/leave)
and even then, that might be used as a Barron opportunity ...

 

[ElLeetch]

At this point, if Seattle doesn't take him, i'd say flip him for a Center of equal value.

 

[Harbour Dog]

At this point, if Seattle doesn't take him, i'd say flip him for a Center of equal value.

I hear that Andersson kid that Los Angeles has is playing really well in the AHL.

 

[egelband]

David Quinn explains why Rangers continue to sit Julien Gauthier

 

[NYR94]

I forgot this guy was even on the team.

 

[mrmovies779]

I forgot this guy was even on the team.

So did David Quinn