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GIN ANTONIC said:
Of course Yankees fans are in love with Stanton after the postseason he had but facts are facts and stats are stats. He's been a complete albatross and a complete waste of payroll over the course of the contract and it's not like he's got only 1 year left or something. This is why I said 'sensible' Yankees fan. You could get such a better player or players for that $20-30mil per year
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This is honestly crazy talk. Yankees are trying to win a WS the next couple of years and as bad as stanton's general WAR and impact in the regular season might've been in recent years, he's still one of the most feared hitters to have to face in the postseason. The guy always shows up, again career .994 OPS, not sure how many times it needs repeating. Yankees have the guys to carry them through the regular season.

Yankees and their fans want his bat in October. If they didn't have Stanton this past postseason, they are likely out again KCR.

There are several other players NYY would try to jettison before Stanton to free up some space and who are worse and more negative in value. DJ Lemehieu @ 15M is totally washed and all dead money. Marcus Stroman too. Anthony Rizzo etc.
 
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$600 - $660 million for Soto?! That's crazy. he's great but he doesn't have the marketing appeal of Ohtani yet he will make nearly as much as him. $450 - $500 million should have been enough.
 
Filthy Dangles said:
This is honestly crazy talk. Yankees are trying to win a WS the next couple of years and as bad as stanton's general WAR and impact in the regular season might've been in recent years, he's still one of the most feared hitters to have to face in the postseason. The guy always shows up, again career .994 OPS, not sure how many times it needs repeating. Yankees have the guys to carry them through the regular season.

Yankees and their fans want his bat in October. If they didn't have Stanton this past postseason, they are likely out again KCR.

There are several other players NYY would try to jettison before Stanton to free up some space and who are worse and more negative in value. DJ Lemehieu @ 15M is totally washed and all dead money. Marcus Stroman too. Anthony Rizzo etc.
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For Stanton's money you can get someone who is good in the regular season and postseason and isn't clogging up DH only spot.

No one is arguing that G is great in the postseason but you can't pay someone that kind of money who is injured all the time and bats like league average over the past 3 seasons.

He's 35 and he's very much likely not getting healthier or better overall. Yes, when he's on a heater he's a bat that should be feared but smart money is not on that happening more often than not over the next few years.

Think of it this way, you could probably take that money and trade for and sign Vladdy Jr. to long term extension (if he agreed to it and fully walks back all the no yankees stuff). Or think of someone similar to that. You could sign a Bregman type player and have money left over. These players are undoubtedly better and more valuable than G at this stage in the game. It's lunacy to think spending this kind of money on Stanton makes any sense.
 
Stanton has 172 career postseason plate appearances and has had plenty of bad postseason series. His vaunted postseason clutchiness is just small sample size.
 
blueandgoldguy said:
$600 - $660 million for Soto?! That's crazy. he's great but he doesn't have the marketing appeal of Ohtani yet he will make nearly as much as him. $450 - $500 million should have been enough.
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Soto is entering his age 26 season, Ohtani was entering his age 29 season in year 1 of the contract. It's incredibly rare that a franchise player type talent is available in FA at that age. That's why Soto is going to get 600 M+.
 
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Baseball/Economics/ Beyond insane folks...............just talk to Scott Boras and that's all you need to know......sad for the sport, and the other 24 teams that can't afford the star players.
 
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Voight said:
26 year old players who happen to be top 5 players usually don't reach free agency.

Soto may not have an MVP, but hes been top 10 in voting 5x.
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THIS. Soto's going to get massive Ohtani-like money because the teams are buying 2-4 more years of his prime than most free agents.

The Yankees' Luis Gil just won American League Rookie of the Year... Juan Soto is 144 days YOUNGER than Luis Gil.
 
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Voight said:
Fair, but I don't see Cohen outbidding the Yanks, they just don't let their stay players walk in free agency. & given the age of their core, the time to compete is now.
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The guy with one statue in his house that cost more than any AL Central team payroll, and an art collection that costs more than the AL West's entire payroll combined is probably not losing too many bidding wars.

This is a guy who broke Lindor's extension stalemate by asking "Is this about Tatis getting $340 million and you know you're better than Tatis? Okay. $341 million."

He has Scrooge McDuck money and is trying to buy his father in law a championship.

The Mets might not get Soto, but Steve Cohen probably isn't getting out-bid.


Hell, we've seen reports of multiple teams "upping their bids" on Soto. But we haven't seen a report saying the Mets have increased their bid. Which means they're either not at all serious (every report is the contrary), OR they haven't needed to increase their bid because theirs is still the highest.
 
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KevFu said:
The guy with one statue in his house that cost more than any AL Central team payroll, and an art collection that costs more than the AL West's entire payroll combined is probably not losing too many bidding wars.

This is a guy who broke Lindor's extension stalemate by asking "Is this about Tatis getting $340 million and you know you're better than Tatis? Okay. $341 million."

He has Scrooge McDuck money and is trying to buy his father in law a championship.

The Mets might not get Soto, but Steve Cohen probably isn't getting out-bid.


Hell, we've seen reports of multiple teams "upping their bids" on Soto. But we haven't seen a report saying the Mets have increased their bid. Which means they're either not at all serious (every report is the contrary), OR they haven't needed to increase their bid because theirs is still the highest.
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Who is his father in law?
 
KevFu said:
The guy with one statue in his house that cost more than any AL Central team payroll, and an art collection that costs more than the AL West's entire payroll combined is probably not losing too many bidding wars.

This is a guy who broke Lindor's extension stalemate by asking "Is this about Tatis getting $340 million and you know you're better than Tatis? Okay. $341 million."

He has Scrooge McDuck money and is trying to buy his father in law a championship.

The Mets might not get Soto, but Steve Cohen probably isn't getting out-bid.


Hell, we've seen reports of multiple teams "upping their bids" on Soto. But we haven't seen a report saying the Mets have increased their bid. Which means they're either not at all serious (every report is the contrary), OR they haven't needed to increase their bid because theirs is still the highest.
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The Yankees dont let star players walk. They always pay up. Cohen is indeed worth a fortune but I dont see the Yanks losing Soto to their crosstown rival over money.
 


LOS ANGELES — The floor for Juan Soto is $600 million.

The bidding for the free-agent MLB outfielder has surpassed that amount, according to two people briefed on the negotiations who were not authorized to speak publicly.
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The Mets are widely regarded as the favorite for Soto, with many in the industry believing the team’s owner, Steve Cohen, will top any rival bid. But the Yankees desperately want to keep Soto as a complement to Aaron Judge, and the Red Sox have emerged as a surprising force in the negotiations. The Blue Jays and Dodgers are considered longer shots, though the Jays were willing to match the Dodgers’ bid for Ohtani last offseason, and seem to be just as intently focused on Soto.
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Voight said:
The Yankees dont let star players walk. They always pay up. Cohen is indeed worth a fortune but I dont see the Yanks losing Soto to their crosstown rival over money.
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They let Cano walk. It was a while ago but it’s not like it doesn’t happen.
 
Scandale du Jour said:
And one would argue that letting him walk when they did was the right move.

Letting Soto walk would be a huge mistake.
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I'm not saying it was or wasn't the right move. I'm just saying they didn't give Cano the bag and let another team outbid them there. It's not often that the Yankees don't open the chequebook for a star player but my point is that it does happen from time to time.

Obviously with Soto they are doing what they can to keep him. The real questions here are the following.

1. What is the number that Cohen and the Mets are willing to go? Is there a ceiling or will they say, whatever the highest offer is you have we will top it?

2. Are the Yankees willing to go that far?

3. If the Yankees can't match the Mets in money, will Soto just go with highest bidder or will he give any special considerations to the Yankees like Judge did?
 
AtlantaWhaler said:
They'll need to wait longer than that. The contract includes team options for the 2027 and 2028 seasons.
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Other thing with that is Acuna Jr will be 31 when he hits free agency. As mentioned many times, a huge aspect of Soto is that he's signing this contract as a 26 year old superstar which is basically unheard of.

I'm sure Acuna Jr will still be a very good player when he's 31 but it's apples and socket wrenches as a comparison.
 
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I don't have a horse in the race, as the Pirates will be lucky to spend 600 million total in the next 7 years, but I just feel like if I was the Yankees, I would rather spread that money over 2-3 or even 4 players, you might be able to get Burnes, Fried, and Adames for 600 total, then you could trade a surplus starter or two, like Cortes and Stroman to fill a hole at 1B or the OF, you could probably even add Burnes/Fried/Adames and then add Walker at 1B if you could just offload Stroman and Cortes for prospects or low cost guys
 
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