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Go back through the previous threads too, you'll read some very...interesting takes from that poster
Rumor: JTM Trade Thread: Why did JT Miller bring a suitcase to practice?
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Go back through the previous threads too, you'll read some very...interesting takes from that poster
Also, there's no way that team wins a cup over arguably the best team of the post-Cap era. And Copp played well from what I remember.
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Value aside, I think there's also the chance that Miller continues to sink his value if you wait. I think we're all expecting him to bounce back here, but what if that doesn't happen? What if it's another 2 goals in 15+ games? What if the issues get even worse? What if this causes Vancouver to miss the playoffs? There's a lot of risk in "Meet our price or we wait." It's not a good situation for Vancouver and one could argue it might even be best to get out of this as soon as possible.
In the end it's a terrible spot for Vancouver to be in.
Empoleon8771
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Vancouver can hold onto Miller without any issue, but this idea that they can just wait for someone to increase their price and match what they want ignores Miller’s NMC. I’m not going to say for sure that Miller would only waive his NMC to go to the Rangers, but it’s very likely he’d pick and choose any location (or a select few locations) that he’d go to. This isn’t Vancouver being able to shop Miller for the best offer, it’s shopping for what the the 1-4 teams Miller would waive to would pay. It being the summer would make the money work easier but that doesn’t necessarily mean there would be more suitors.
Between the NMC, his age, remaining contract and performance this year, I would be really surprised for him to bring back more than that rumored Rangers package of Chytil, Sykora and a 1st. And even that might be too much, especially based on the idea that the Rangers wanted retention there as well.
Between the NMC, his age, remaining contract and performance this year, I would be really surprised for him to bring back more than that rumored Rangers package of Chytil, Sykora and a 1st. And even that might be too much, especially based on the idea that the Rangers wanted retention there as well.
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Is the Canucks brass really going to accept the status quo of the team and the surrounding atmosphere?
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If Drury can do that deal, I'll upgrade him from being the worst GM in the NHL to somewhere in the early 20s.
Apparently so . Appears they would rather sit tight than give Miller away and I don’t blame them . Makes things boring for us and must be very frustrating for Canuck fans but I understand why they wouldn’t trade him for a crap return. I’d prefer that Miller stayed at that point and hope that everyone gets over their pouting if I was the Nucks GM . I’m not ruining my team and their future over someone being a pouty pants lol . If there was a “ fair “ return , then so be it . Get ‘er done . But that must not be the case . This season may be lost because of all of this crap , but why ruin more seasons to come by getting a pile of Meh in return for one if your best players ? Ride it out at this point . Try to talk some sense into people and straighten things out later . Don’t just give away a player just because currently it is effecting them negatively . Dumping Miller for a crap return does more harm than keeping fur longer term than just keeping him and trying to solve things internally IMO
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They are 1 point out of the playoffs. They need to add a dman or 2, but aren't going to make a deal on Miller that doesn't make sense. If they were, he would have been gone by now.
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Apparently so? It appears quite contrary to that. From all the messaging that the GM has made in his public appearances, to the fact that the insiders are reporting that the NY deal basically fell through because of miniscule details in pick conditions, tell me that the Canucks are absolutely trying to make the move NOW. It's not like they are signalling teams "we are listening on Miller", it's about "we want to move Miller but try not to get completely hosed".
If they were willing to wait until the summer, there wouldn't even be discussions about the trade right now, let alone reports that the deal was almost at the finish line. Get serious.
It makes no sense for the rangers. I get why that would be who van targeted, and they have every right to make that, or anything, their price. The rangers would be adding jt as a win-now move. Any chance of that actually panning out involves laf being a big part too. They aren’t doing all that much to their chances of winning now by adding jt by subtracting laf. They require both on the team for the roster to have a chance. If laf is the price, the rangers would move on, and that’s fine. I can’t imagine van thinks he’s in play though, esp if they’re still talking
What are you talking about? Of course they can discuss a trade now and hold off if they don't get an offer that works. Just because you discuss a trade, doesn't mean you have to make it.
you're out to lunch if you think package will land you a top 2 center power forward coming off a 100 point season. You are buying low I get it but the Rangers asking the canucks to retain is asinine .
Threads should get locked until legit updates occur.
All I see is pages of people bashing Miller saying he has no value. Typical of any Canuck player on this board, a trade will happen at some point in 2025.
Until then get some fresh air and have some tequila
Adios my tariff run neighbours
All I see is pages of people bashing Miller saying he has no value. Typical of any Canuck player on this board, a trade will happen at some point in 2025.
Until then get some fresh air and have some tequila
Adios my tariff run neighbours
I mean... We already know the offer was close... Not sure why Canucks fans think it's going to change so drastically.
Cloudedthought
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Most would be incorrect.
The fact the storyline keeps shifting tells me its all speculative. From E.P/Miller and now Tocchet/Miller. The latter coming out shows the talking heads really have no idea but kept writing it to stir a hornets nest.
I see the issue being sorted unless we have a bigger issue of a player thinking they can run off anyone they dislike.
Looking at the offers they have little other choice than to see if it works its way out. Shooting out your own leg to make a trade is not benefitting the team.
Media is creating the distraction and it would die down with a win over the Oilers tonight that rallies the team together. An example, not saying it happens but would be awesome.
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AFAIK any playoff team in active trade discussions about their 1C is gonna create a lot of chatter, so I don’t see how the media is at fault here?
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I just think Petterson defeating his bully would be great character development for the young man
retaining was a none starter, if we trade him we are losing the trade that is known.
JT.Miller ($8,000,000)
for
Kotkaniemi ($4,820,000)
Roslovic ($2,800,000)
Nikishin (LD)
$7,620,000
for
Kotkaniemi ($4,820,000)
Roslovic ($2,800,000)
Nikishin (LD)
$7,620,000
I see Kotkaniemi as negative to neutral value , Roslovic is a dime a dozen. So its basically Nikishin for Miller in terms of value which I am not sure if that makes sense or not.
His age and contract aren't ideal, but I wouldn't worry about the shit offers. That's the norm around here.
That final name is the interesting one.
Empoleon8771
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Nikishin is the #9 ranked prospect in hockey. Zero chance the Canucks get him for Miller.
I don't know why the Canucks would trade this Guy. They are in a window until Hughes
contract is up. Miller is a playoff performer. They nearly beat Edmonton last Spring. And, JT played against Drai, and Connor. Miller signed in Vancouver. Some of the names coming back, Chytil, Kotameini, a first? Really. Why bother. What did Miller do, hurt Petey's feelings? This is bad management. And, letting this play out in the media like this. It is hurting the team. Patrick Alvin needs to clear the air.
contract is up. Miller is a playoff performer. They nearly beat Edmonton last Spring. And, JT played against Drai, and Connor. Miller signed in Vancouver. Some of the names coming back, Chytil, Kotameini, a first? Really. Why bother. What did Miller do, hurt Petey's feelings? This is bad management. And, letting this play out in the media like this. It is hurting the team. Patrick Alvin needs to clear the air.
Cloudedthought
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Sportsnet Punishes NHL Insider Elliotte Friedman with 1-Month Suspension For Vancouver Canucks Rumors
Sportsnet has handed out a lengthy suspension to NHL Insider Elliotte Friedman for, where he will not be allowed to discuss the Vancouver Canucks until January 23rd.
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Timeline this year:
Hoglander needs to be traded.
Desharnais being shopped.
Petterson being traded.
Miller on the outs.
Demko doesnt want to play in Vancouver
Boeser not willing to resign.
Tocchet gone.
A trade is one thing. What we have experienced this year is over the top.
If you stir up a fan base to believe change needs to happen it will happen. So now everything revolves around Miller instead of letting it die down and work its way out naturally.
Most the argument in this thread is from talking heads.
Canucks also put a warning about meddling.
So its done through media instead.
It plays a big factor. I wouldn't write it off easily on this issue.
