Rumor: JT Miller to the Rangers? (Part 2)

[LokiDog]

Miller has a NMC.

He has 3 kids under like 7 years old. He likes to hunt, fish, play golf, drives a pick up truck and is commonly seen wearing things like “back the blue” hats, etc.

The New York Rangers are having a historically bad implosion and look to be on the decline. Even if there’s drama and toxicity in the Vancouver locker room, it looks like NY is even worse.

NY has super high taxes.

Why would he want to waive to go to NYC?

In a vacuum, 32 teams in the NHL would take him. This isn’t like Zibanejad or Trouba where you’re asking him to waive hoping that some team will at least give him a chance. This is a highly desirable player and I can’t think of a single reason why he would want to waive for NYR. Drury can want him all day and all night. Why wouldn’t he want to go to Colorado, Minnesota, Dallas, etc. that actually fit his lifestyle and the team isn’t in shambles. And since he has an NMC, if he wants to simply say “I’ll only go to Colorado” than isn’t Vancouver basically forced to accept Mittlestadt or whatever Colorado offers? As an example, same for any team.

 

[DingDongCharlie]

Lindholm who couldnt hold Millers shadow went for :

1st, 4th, Hunter Bruz

I believe that is the most recent trade of a high profiled Centre. I could be wrong.


Miller is going to return a Centre no matter what. There's other choice. I think theres going to be a huge demand for Miller. Especially teams looking for an Alpha and a culture change along with what Miller brings on the ice.

Some Centres I can see returning in a Miller trade as part of a package:


Zibanejad/Chytil
Cozens/Thompson
Necas/Jarvis
Barzal
Laughton/Frost

Thompson? Tage Thompson? No chance your getting a unicorn player entering his prime for 32 year old needing a scenery change

 

[GbgRanger]

Who's put up more points than Jt. Miller over the last 5 years? i dont think the list is very long... he's also signed well below his on ice value... Van should be requesting a decent package if he is indeed to be traded.

Panarin and Jt. Miller would dominate on ice, 100 pts per season each.

Schneider, Trocheck, Cuylle, nothing less

For how long?

 

[Mrfenn92]

Who's put up more points than Jt. Miller over the last 5 years? i dont think the list is very long... he's also signed well below his on ice value... Van should be requesting a decent package if he is indeed to be traded.

Panarin and Jt. Miller would dominate on ice, 100 pts per season each.

Schneider, Trocheck, Cuylle, nothing less

No deal then

 

[Wallet Inspector]

Miller has a NMC.

He has 3 kids under like 7 years old. He likes to hunt, fish, play golf, drives a pick up truck and is commonly seen wearing things like “back the blue” hats, etc.

The New York Rangers are having a historically bad implosion and look to be on the decline. Even if there’s drama and toxicity in the Vancouver locker room, it looks like NY is even worse.

NY has super high taxes.

Why would he want to waive to go to NYC?

In a vacuum, 32 teams in the NHL would take him. This isn’t like Zibanejad or Trouba where you’re asking him to waive hoping that some team will at least give him a chance. This is a highly desirable player and I can’t think of a single reason why he would want to waive for NYR. Drury can want him all day and all night. Why wouldn’t he want to go to Colorado, Minnesota, Dallas, etc. that actually fit his lifestyle and the team isn’t in shambles. And since he has an NMC, if he wants to simply say “I’ll only go to Colorado” than isn’t Vancouver basically forced to accept Mittlestadt or whatever Colorado offers? As an example, same for any team.

I mean Vancouver also has high taxes, and NYR is generally one of the most desired destinations for NHL players.

 

[LokiDog]

I mean Vancouver also has high taxes, and NYR is generally one of the most desired destinations for NHL players.

Correct, but we’re not talking about most NHL players - Zibanejad, Lundqvist, Subban, Seguin, Kane, etc. I can easily see the attraction of the flashy NYC lifestyle. JT Miller is a straight up country boy. I can’t see any reason he’d want to uproot his family to come to NY. Dallas, Nashville, Florida, Carolina, St. Louis, Minnesota, Colorado, etc. I could see. Not sure why he’d want to waive his NMC at 31 years old to go to a team that isn’t making the playoffs and doesn’t seem to match his personality at all. And is publicly in the midst of a collapse.

 

[krutovsdonut]

now the canucks? what's their bargaining position?

they are not having a good season but they are better than the rangers. they have a window to worry about but are not yet in win now mode. management is very secure and could survive missing the playoffs. they have been very very patient with this miller/ep40 situation and they do not have to trade miller even if they decide to trade. they can trade ep40 instead. or they can sit pat and let the season play out. they are also likely to have other suitors for miller whereas rangers are in tough to move the pieces they want to move.

so it seems like the canucks have a lot of leverage, especially if they are willing to take on kreider or zibanejad.

canucks are far enough into their window to want nhl-ready assets. i don't think their first choice for return on miller would include a non-lottery first.

the only ranger i have seen regular rumours that the canucks covet is lafreniere. if that is true, the rangers might be able to squeeze back a little to include him but there is a cap problem that the canucks can't take back lafreniere and another kreider or zib unless they move more salary and they don't have any big dead cap salaries anymore. they have boeser as an expiring ufa who might make that work, but boeser is a fan favourite and trending for a 38 goal season coming off a 40 goal season. he's also super nice guy and very popular in the yvr market. he might be included in a trade to make the cap work but not for free.

without lafreniere, i don't see how the rangers can put enough on the table to make the best offer for miller. braden schneider projects as a 2 way 4d. he's a valuable piece but not close to a straight swap for miller, let alone a swap for miller where the rangers also unload kreider. maybe cuylle and schneider gets it done, but i don't know if his star has risen enough.

anyway, enough out of me.

 

[BoHorvat 53]

 

[krutovsdonut]

I mean Vancouver also has high taxes, and NYR is generally one of the most desired destinations for NHL players.

pretty sure he would not be able to resist going back to broadway on his terms to be a star on the east coast. you can see from the delusional takes of east coast fans in miller trade threads how badly undervalued miller is by east coast hockey fans. i am sure he feels that.

 

[Taluss]

Id be surprised if Laf goes so soon after signing an extensión but who tf knows with this team anymore

 

[AnInjuredJasonZucker]

More than you can afford, pal. Ferrari

 

[elmaco]

 

[BB88]

Who's put up more points than Jt. Miller over the last 5 years? i dont think the list is very long... he's also signed well below his on ice value... Van should be requesting a decent package if he is indeed to be traded.

Panarin and Jt. Miller would dominate on ice, 100 pts per season each.

Schneider, Trocheck, Cuylle, nothing less

This season is already wasted

So looking at next year, Panarin 34y, Miller 32y

What’s the damm point? You don’t build a contender around that

Rangers would just drive them into a worse situation with the cost of acquiring a player at the end of his prime

 

[Three On Zero]

This season is already wasted

So looking at next year, Panarin 34y, Miller 32y

What’s the damm point? You don’t build a contender around that

Rangers would just drive them into a worse situation with the cost of acquiring a player at the end of his prime

They really don’t seem like good trading partners for any potential “blockbuster” trades. Rangers need any of the pieces Vancouver would want

 

[toddkaz]

I agree, I keep EP over Miller.

 

[Nogatco Rd]

. I can also see the following:


Zib - retained
Lafreniere
Lindgren
3rd rnd pick

for

JT Miller
Hoglander
Branstrom

NYR coming off way more draft capital than that if those are the pieces involved. Also hard to imagine them retaining cap until 2030

 

[Kocur Dill]

i think we need to go back to basics here. the discussion has got some really off values.

first off, what is the value of a jt miller "simpliciter"? forget the circumstances of the canucks and rangers.

he is 31. he has consistently paced over a ppg for years and is coming off a 100 point season. he plays a dominant physical style like a power winger, is a playmaker, especially on the poweplay, has a hard accurate shot, plays centre well, is dominant on faceoffs, fights and serves as an emotional driver for the team.

that is pretty good. there are very few forwards in the nhl with a better resume than that.

he's also under contract for $8m for five years, taking him to 36. right now that is obviously
a bargain. if the rangers get him, he'll be their fifth highest paid player starting next year. he hasn't been blowing the doors off this season but he's been decent and is only sucked into trade rumours because of a feud with another star. that feud does not hurt his value imo. it is not setting off locker room cancer vibes. the reports are he is beloved but has been too hard on pettersson and that includes the recent comments of brad richardson.

to me the market value of a player of this caliber is very well established: it is three of the following: a high draft pick, a young roster player and a good prospect. one of those assets would conventionally be the big prize.

1. He also chased Horvat out of town.
2. Your decription is basically Trochek with extra scoring.

To address #1. At some point, Van GM has to wonder if letting JTM chase 2 draftee Nucks out of town is horrible optics.

To address #2. Tro and JT's similar game and increase production for JT suggest the salaries are commensurate. Pundits are suggesting Trocheck if made available would command a hefty price tag. So, if futures are prefered, yes, your sugested package is roughly fair, possibly as tad under value. If Zibanejad for not only cap reasons, but roster managment reasons for both teams and salaries, term, and age all matching outside of .5 million dollars, and in all honesty, Zibanejad is playing like someone eho has lost his edge from comfort and NMC leverage, but make no mistake has not fallen off a cliff and it/was tops in the league in FO and PK still has a ton of value. Hes not a dump.

In the real world.

JTM has more worts than HFB fans care to disclose and Zibanjad has more to offer than what he's shown the past 3 months (he/the team were actually hot the 1st month).

Like Trouba...I think if this deal goes through, HFB armchair GMs are gonna be agahst at the actual return yet again.

What im reading the past 24hrs is

Van fans: JTM is NHL PF hierarchy and worth the world. Zibanejad sucks and is a cap dump.

NYR fans: 50/50 Zibanjad sucks we'll take what we can get. Zibanejad needs an attitude adjustment but is still a top 15 center with value.

Something tells me NHL GMs agree with the minority of NYR fans that agree he's been bad but has value. The plus will not be anything close to Schneider, 1st, Lafreniere, Miller, etc...

Probably. Zibanejad (2m retained) Jones, 5th. For JTM + Van cap dump.

 

[JKG33]

I just don't see how any of the Rags salary dumps (Kreider or Zib) are anything close to getting Miller, especially if they don't include Laf.

As someone with no horse in this race, and if Vancouver wants to make the stupid decision of trading Miller, Colorado makes the most sense. Mittlestad + Nuke for Miller + Hoglander. Quite honestly there's nothing scarier than a 1-2 punch of MacKinnon-Miller down the middle come playoff time for the next 3 years.

 

[Kocur Dill]

Miller has a NMC.

He has 3 kids under like 7 years old. He likes to hunt, fish, play golf, drives a pick up truck and is commonly seen wearing things like “back the blue” hats, etc.

The New York Rangers are having a historically bad implosion and look to be on the decline. Even if there’s drama and toxicity in the Vancouver locker room, it looks like NY is even worse.

NY has super high taxes.

Why would he want to waive to go to NYC?

In a vacuum, 32 teams in the NHL would take him. This isn’t like Zibanejad or Trouba where you’re asking him to waive hoping that some team will at least give him a chance. This is a highly desirable player and I can’t think of a single reason why he would want to waive for NYR. Drury can want him all day and all night. Why wouldn’t he want to go to Colorado, Minnesota, Dallas, etc. that actually fit his lifestyle and the team isn’t in shambles. And since he has an NMC, if he wants to simply say “I’ll only go to Colorado” than isn’t Vancouver basically forced to accept Mittlestadt or whatever Colorado offers? As an example, same for any team.

good context.
good point.

as a ny lifer who is planning my families exit, i can surely relate.

 

[rumrokh]

1. He also chased Horvat out of town.
2. Your decription is basically Trochek with extra scoring.

To address #1. At some point, Van GM has to wonder if letting JTM chase 2 draftee Nucks out of town is horrible optics.

To address #2. Tro and JT's similar game and increase production for JT suggest the salaries are commensurate. Pundits are suggesting Trocheck if made available would command a hefty price tag. So, if futures are prefered, yes, your sugested package is roughly fair, possibly as tad under value. If Zibanejad for not only cap reasons, but roster managment reasons for both teams and salaries, term, and age all matching outside of .5 million dollars, and in all honesty, Zibanejad is playing like someone eho has lost his edge from comfort and NMC leverage, but make no mistake has not fallen off a cliff and it/was tops in the league in FO and PK still has a ton of value. Hes not a dump.

In the real world.

JTM has more worts than HFB fans care to disclose and Zibanjad has more to offer than what he's shown the past 3 months (he/the team were actually hot the 1st month).

Like Trouba...I think if this deal goes through, HFB armchair GMs are gonna be agahst at the actual return yet again.

What im reading the past 24hrs is

Van fans: JTM is NHL PF hierarchy and worth the world. Zibanejad sucks and is a cap dump.

NYR fans: 50/50 Zibanjad sucks we'll take what we can get. Zibanejad needs an attitude adjustment but is still a top 15 center with value.

Something tells me NHL GMs agree with the minority of NYR fans that agree he's been bad but has value. The plus will not be anything close to Schneider, 1st, Lafreniere, Miller, etc...

Probably. Zibanejad (2m retained) Jones, 5th. For JTM + Van cap dump.

If the Canucks' GM thinks Pettersson needs to mature, why would he have any interest in trading Miller for a player who needs an attitude adjustment?

 

[Siludin]

Conspiracy theory:
- Canucks management asks Miller to waive his NMC so they can settle things quietly
- Miller says "give me two weeks off or else I'm going to the media, telling them you asked my to waive me NMC and that I'm being shopped"
- Canucks management = surprised pikachu face

*Laughs in NHLPA*

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

Doesn't Zibby have a full NMC? Doubt he waives to go to Canada. Age 31 to age 37 years left. Rangers not escaping that contract that easily.

Drury has done well getting around clauses.

 

[John Mandalorian]

I just don't see how any of the Rags salary dumps (Kreider or Zib) are anything close to getting Miller, especially if they don't include Laf.

As someone with no horse in this race, and if Vancouver wants to make the stupid decision of trading Miller, Colorado makes the most sense. Mittlestad + Nuke for Miller + Hoglander. Quite honestly there's nothing scarier than a 1-2 punch of MacKinnon-Miller down the middle come playoff time for the next 3 years.

Don’t see the Canucks wanting Nichushkin and don’t see the Avs wanting Hoglander.

 

[Three On Zero]

Doesn't Zibby have a full NMC? Doubt he waives to go to Canada. Age 31 to age 37 years left. Rangers not escaping that contract that easily.

Zib scored tonight in his “please, no Canada” plea

 

[Szechwan]

Conspiracy theory:
- Canucks management asks Miller to waive his NMC so they can settle things quietly
- Miller says "give me two weeks off or else I'm going to the media, telling them you asked my to waive me NMC and that I'm being shopped"
- Canucks management = surprised pikachu face

*Laughs in NHLPA*

Allvin already said something along the lines of "I'm proud of JT seeking help when he needed it" which pretty explicitly points to a mental health issue of some kind.