Rumor: JT Miller to the Rangers? (Part 2)

[2023FriendshipTour]

Rangers don't have anything of value to get Miller. Canucks need help now and the Rangers centers are all crap.

 

[Canucks LB]

. I can also see the following:


Zib - retained
Lafreniere
Lindgren
3rd rnd pick

for

JT Miller
Hoglander
Branstrom

Canucks get a Retained Cap Dump
A good young Winger
a UFA
and a mid pick

for

A #1 Center

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

I'm not nearly as down on Zibanejad as most others are here. He had 72 points last year and is still on pace for 48 points this year with the Rangers where everything is a mess right now. I'd put dramatically more value in his previous 5+ seasons of being a solid 1C than the one year where everything is a mess and he's struggling.

Miller and Zibanejad are effectively the same age, with Miller being a month older than Zibanejad. Neither guy is particularly young or old. He should be valued as a prime aged top-6 C that's having a down year, not a massive cap dump.

No... I'm gonna put stock into how he's playing now as that's a much better indication as to how he'll perform in the future. Even last year... 72 points... it's fine but not great by any means considering it was a president winning team and 4 other players outscored him.

And at 48 point pace? He's a passenger that doesn't drive play, is terrible defensively, and gets caved in 5 on 5. If he's not getting fed on the PP he doesn't bring anything else really. Then you add on his contract? Most teams would be saying no thanks.

Canucks might WANT to trade Miller but they don't have to until they find the right deal for him and them. He's signed long term so it's not a clock running out type situation where you need to move him or lose him for nothing.

If Drury WANTS him then they are gonna have to make an offer that Canucks actually want to do. Zib could be part of it but not unless there's big retention or big sweeteners.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

But the fit seems weird to me. If Miller gets annoyed at EP for being "soft", wait until he has to be stapled to Panarin and Zibanejad full time.

Zibanejad will be the main part of the deal going the other way.

. I can also see the following:


Zib - retained
Lafreniere
Lindgren
3rd rnd pick

for

JT Miller
Hoglander
Branstrom

Completely delusional lmao

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

The canucks DO NOT HAVE TO TRADE HIM, he is signed long term, this is why you saying it would cost this package makes absolutely no sense.

He is basically a PPG Center with all this "Drama"

I know they don’t and I don’t think they should right now.

I also think you’re on crack if you think you’re going to get back a massive return for the player, especially if he’s moved in season. The pool of interested teams that he’d be -

A. Willing to go to and
B. Able to accommodate him and his salary

Is not likely to be very large.

I don't think that a straight up trade for Zibanejad or even Zibanejad plus a small add is fair or realistic.

You aren't going to get Zibanejad, Miller/Schneider and a 1st. Thats crack pipe stuff.

I won't even acknowledge some of the other loony shit that has been said on your board.

The NMC is a hurdle. The salary is not. Especially if Vancouver is willing to take back a worse contract (like Zibanejad's). There are a lot of teams with tons of cap space and more with space if they can send salary back.

Like who?

Who is going to rip apart their roster to fit in JT Miller right now?

The teams that have the space to do it outright are not likely to be teams that he will be willing to go to. Hell are we even sure that he wants to go back to NY at this point? The team sucks and he didn't exactly leave on the greatest terms.

 

[Canucks LB]

Just for fun, Who are the most "Rick Tochett type guys" On the Rangers?

 

[Canucks LB]

Zibanejad will be the main part of the deal going the other way.


Completely delusional lmao


Completely delusional lmao

There you are Pierce, I was wondering when you would show up
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[FoxysExpensiveNYDigs]

Bring Bozo home!

Do the Canucks still own Kravtsov's rights? Could be a big add!

 

[UrbanImpact]

Rangers don't have anything of value to get Miller. Canucks need help now and the Rangers centers are all crap.

Thats my thought tooo. To me an ideal partner would be Carolina. I think Carolina wants to change things up because their current mix cant get it done in the playoffs. I think Miller would fit really really well with what they do and also with some of the characters and leadership on the team like Burns.

Necas is a guy id target. It seemed like both him and the team wanted to move on from eachother in the off-season but just couldnt find a dance partner. I dont think 40 games later has changed much about that despite Necas playing well.

Something around Necas + for JT Miller would do well for both imo.

Same goes for something like Cozens + for Miller

 

[Canucks LB]

I know they don’t and I don’t think they should right now.

I also think you’re on crack if you think you’re going to get back a massive return for the player, especially if he’s moved in season. The pool of interested teams that he’d be -

A. Willing to go to and
B. Able to accommodate him and his salary

Is not likely to be very large.

I don't think that a straight up trade for Zibanejad or even Zibanejad plus a small add is fair or realistic.

You aren't going to get Zibanejad, Miller/Schneider and a 1st. Thats crack pipe stuff.

I won't even acknowledge some of the other loony shit that has been said on your board.



Like who?

Who is going to rip apart their roster to fit in JT Miller right now?

The teams that have the space to do it outright are not likely to be teams that he will be willing to go to. Hell are we even sure that he wants to go back to NY at this point? The team sucks and he didn't exactly leave on the greatest terms.

Probably not, but that's the type of deal the Canucks are looking for.
If they don't get it, they don't have to trade him for scraps.

 

[Three On Zero]

Needs to be a #2C and top 4D at minimum to move Miller

 

[Iwishihadaspacebar]

Vancouver would be wise to move JT Miller now—especially if it is for an overpay. I think he’ll reach his cliff sooner than later.

As long as they aren’t taking another cliff-prone player in return.

It could actually be a very wise move trading him now if they get back players to help longer term. The problem is that Zibanejad would likely need to go the other way and that he's the same age, with a similar contract that probably doesn't age well. The upside is that Zibanejad is at a low trade value right now (and isn't as bad as he has been made out to be this season) vs Miller who is as his highest he'll be for the rest of his career.

Replacing Miller with a similar aged player and similar contract plus getting other assets (like Schneider or K Miller and/or the Rangers' 1st) would be good business. The Canucks could even use that 1st to acquire a D-man in another trade.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

There you are Pierce, I was wondering when you would show up
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That's why everyone else in the thread is also laughing at you and that hilarious proposal.


It's always everyone else that's wrong!

 

[Beerz]

Thats my thought tooo. To me an ideal partner would be Carolina. I think Carolina wants to change things up because their current mix cant get it done in the playoffs. I think Miller would fit really really well with what they do and also with some of the characters and leadership on the team like Burns.

Necas is a guy id target. It seemed like both him and the team wanted to move on from eachother in the off-season but just couldnt find a dance partner. I dont think 40 games later has changed much about that despite Necas playing well.

Something around Necas + for JT Miller would do well for both imo.

Same goes for something like Cozens + for Miller

Miller >>> Cozens and I still wouldn't do it for Sabres based on age of Miller and would never bring him into this locker room.


And this is even before there being zero chance Miller would waive to Buffalo.


You are barking up the wrong tree with Buffalo

 

[Captain Mountain]

Like who?

Who is going to rip apart their roster to fit in JT Miller right now?

The teams that have the space to do it outright are not likely to be teams that he will be willing to go to. Hell are we even sure that he wants to go back to NY at this point? The team sucks and he didn't exactly leave on the greatest terms.

At the suggested price to the Rangers? Half the NHL doesn't have to rip apart their roster to accommodate a trade for JT Miller. Its no longer a flat cap world.

But to repeat, you are correct that the NMC is an impediment. Its the salary (and even term) that isn't an impediment.

 

[Canucks LB]

That's why everyone else in the thread is also laughing at you and that hilarious proposal.


It's always everyone else that's wrong!

How is the Quinn Hughes is nothing more then tyson barrie 2.0 take going?

How about you read the thread first, Literally said the canucks are "looking" for a big trade, and won't just trade him for nothing.

Where did I say or even bring up a Trade Package for JT Miller?

They Keep him or a team overpays.

 

[GIN ANTONIC]

I know they don’t and I don’t think they should right now.

I also think you’re on crack if you think you’re going to get back a massive return for the player, especially if he’s moved in season. The pool of interested teams that he’d be -

A. Willing to go to and
B. Able to accommodate him and his salary

Is not likely to be very large.

I don't think that a straight up trade for Zibanejad or even Zibanejad plus a small add is fair or realistic.

You aren't going to get Zibanejad, Miller/Schneider and a 1st. Thats crack pipe stuff.

I won't even acknowledge some of the other loony shit that has been said on your board.



Like who?

Who is going to rip apart their roster to fit in JT Miller right now?

The teams that have the space to do it outright are not likely to be teams that he will be willing to go to. Hell are we even sure that he wants to go back to NY at this point? The team sucks and he didn't exactly leave on the greatest terms.

Thats my thought tooo. To me an ideal partner would be Carolina. I think Carolina wants to change things up because their current mix cant get it done in the playoffs. I think Miller would fit really really well with what they do and also with some of the characters and leadership on the team like Burns.

Necas is a guy id target. It seemed like both him and the team wanted to move on from eachother in the off-season but just couldnt find a dance partner. I dont think 40 games later has changed much about that despite Necas playing well.

Something around Necas + for JT Miller would do well for both imo.

Same goes for something like Cozens + for Miller

Canes definitely would be interested in Miller. Productive and cost controlled and then gives the team the 1-2 C depth they have been looking for. Kotkaniemi probably has to be part of the deal but the framework of Miller for Necas works.

 

[Shark Finn]

Just for fun, Who are the most "Rick Tochett type guys" On the Rangers?

And what's that?

 

[Djp]

Needs to be a #2C and top 4D at minimum to move Miller

I need to marry the hot chick and win the lottery....

 

[DelZottoHitTheNetJK]

A cap dump for a guy who’s been a 10 scorer in the last three seasons and the best player for us in the playoffs, where do I sign?

(And he has 24 points in 26 games THIS season, with all this crap going on)

I hope you don’t speak for the rest of the Rangers fans because, my god

He does speak for us, and it has nothing to do with value. The value is atrocious because we don't want him.

If we're talking last year? I give a kidney for JT Miller. This season is lost for us and NYR needs to officially punt it away to retool. JT Miller puts us firmly in bubble team territory now with Igor on IR.

We don't want wins this year. The season is already over. We need to be sellers.

 

[McDoused]

 

[roryjones]

I need to marry the hot chick and win the lottery....

You have the order wrong. Win the lottery and then you can pick whatever hot chick you want.

 

[Canucks LB]

He does speak for us, and it has nothing to do with value. The value is atrocious because we don't want him.

If we're talking last year? I give a kidney for JT Miller. This season is lost for us and NYR needs to officially punt it away to retool. JT Miller puts us firmly in bubble team territory now with Igor on IR.

We don't want wins this year. The season is already over. We need to be sellers.

Completely Fair, But does not sound like that from the radio hits I am hearing, Seems like Rangers not giving up on the year, and wanna make a big move

 

[GoAwayPanarin]

At the suggested price to the Rangers? Half the NHL doesn't have to rip apart their roster to accommodate a trade for JT Miller. Its no longer a flat cap world.

But to repeat, you are correct that the NMC is an impediment. Its the salary (and even term) that isn't an impediment.

They're both impediments as the NMC really leads into the Salary being an issue.

There are teams that can fit him in with out sending anything (or much) back.

Those teams are almost across the board bad teams. We're talking about CBJ/CHI/SJS's of the world.

Perhaps I'm wrong, but he isn't going to waive to go to those teams.

Better teams are pretty capped out and aren't going to move heaven and earth to add this player. Not now at least.

Probably not, but that's the type of deal the Canucks are looking for.
If they don't get it, they don't have to trade him for scraps.

They can look all they want but they aren't going to get it, especially if they're extra motivated to get something done mid season.

 

[thefutures]

He does speak for us, and it has nothing to do with value. The value is atrocious because we don't want him.

If we're talking last year? I give a kidney for JT Miller. This season is lost for us and NYR needs to officially punt it away to retool. JT Miller puts us firmly in bubble team territory now with Igor on IR.

We don't want wins this year. The season is already over. We need to be sellers.

You don't want him but ur GM has been all over him through the media. Drury clearly wants Miller. Not saying he would pay some of these prices but the interest is obvious at this point. Drury is not using the media well