Confirmed with Link: JT Miller to Take Indefinite Leave of Absence for Personal Reasons

[vadim sharifijanov]

Its a bit humorous that some are suggesting Miller receives preferential treatment from the fanbase given that Miller was almost run out of town by this fanbase a couple of years ago.

Miller, while struggling this year, is still at basically a point per game player. Pettersson was at like half of that when he was receiving the bulk of the criticism (but the fans were still being super supportive and chanting his name).

At the end of the day, the players have very different injuries and Miller clearly has something else significant going on beyond just injuries, so any comparison between how the fanbase has treated each player is mostly unwarranted.

i think you just have to accept that there are miller people and there are petey people

and they each have a persecution complex that makes it feel like the entire rest of the fanbase is unfairly cyberbullying their guy

 

[Ernie]

i think you just have to accept that there are miller people and there are petey people

and they each have a persecution complex that makes it feel like the entire rest of the fanbase is unfairly cyberbullying their guy

I'm a Miller and a Petey person. I just object to people being called "mentally weak" and "quitters" when they are struggling. That's it. If people were saying that about Miller (and they aren't) I'd be defending him just the same.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Its a bit humorous that some are suggesting Miller receives preferential treatment from the fanbase given that Miller was almost run out of town by this fanbase a couple of years ago.

Miller, while struggling this year, is still at basically a point per game player. Pettersson was at like half of that when he was receiving the bulk of the criticism (but the fans were still being super supportive and chanting his name).

At the end of the day, the players have very different injuries and Miller clearly has something else significant going on beyond just injuries, so any comparison between how the fanbase has treated each player is mostly unwarranted.

Okidoki

 

[PuckMunchkin]

i think you just have to accept that there are miller people and there are petey people

and they each have a persecution complex that makes it feel like the entire rest of the fanbase is unfairly cyberbullying their guy

I've not seen much criticism of Miller this season anywhere.

Because people actually believe he is struggling with injuries and understand that its causing his mental problems.

This is night and day difference from what EP gets and got. The mental gymnastics people are going through to hold on to their view of EP are wild to witness.

 

[VanJack]

It's still unclear to me. If Miller's absence is sanctioned by the NHL, does his salary still count against the Canucks salary cap?

 

[Vector]

It's still unclear to me. If Miller's absence is sanctioned by the NHL, does his salary still count against the Canucks salary cap?

Yes but he clears a roster spot. Acts the same as IR but without any restriction of when he can return.

 

[David71]

some reports say he maybe return at the columbus game? dec 6th? but i rather he takes all the time he needs to recover mentally/physically. and come back whenever hes ready.

 

[Dolemite]

Vancouver is a pressure cooker on and off the ice. Give him the space to be the best player he can be.

 

[Regal]

I've not seen much criticism of Miller this season anywhere.

Because people actually believe he is struggling with injuries and understand that its causing his mental problems.

This is night and day difference from what EP gets and got. The mental gymnastics people are going through to hold on to their view of EP are wild to witness.

Miller still produced. That’s the only reason for the difference in how they’ve been treated

 

[PuckMunchkin]

Miller still produced. That’s the only reason for the difference in how they’ve been treated

agree to disagree

 

[Regal]

agree to disagree

Then you believe nonsense

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

Miller still produced. That’s the only reason for the difference in how they’ve been treated

He’s been a liability since game 1

If anything, last season was like an outlier if you looked back at this whole career

I like JT but it’s kinda hypocritical for him to called EP a baby when he himself has been arguably worse this season.

It’s not a surprise that the team started to play better after Miller left

Miller at 50% is not a better option than most forwards on this team

 

[Grantham]

I've not seen much criticism of Miller this season anywhere.

Because people actually believe he is struggling with injuries and understand that its causing his mental problems.

This is night and day difference from what EP gets and got. The mental gymnastics people are going through to hold on to their view of EP are wild to witness.

JT is my favourite player since he became a Canuck, but Petey and Hughes are right there behind him. I think what some in media and online fans said about Petey was stupid and ignorant, and inhuman.

But JT went through a lot of hate before our new coach came along. Everyone blamed him for everything. That is horsecrap just as Petey being treated the way he has been.

Look, I love Tocchet, he was one of my favourite players growing up. But I blame his generation of macho tough guys for the attitude in hockey today. Injuries are never mentioned as a factor, like ever. Just admit it in the press when a guy is going through something, and cut him some slack. Tocc played when they would play through concussions and life altering injuries. That was stupid. Don't put your players through it. Stop this tough guys dong cry BS. Call an injury and injury and backup your guys in the press when they're going through stuff. He thought JT could handle the benching cause he's tough. Well the mind can break no matter how strong you are physically. End rant...

 

[Regal]

He’s been a liability since game 1

If anything, last season was like an outlier if you looked back at this whole career

I like JT but it’s kinda hypocritical for him to called EP a baby when he himself has been arguably worse this season.

It’s not a surprise that the team started to play better after Miller left

Miller at 50% is not a better option than most forwards on this team

I think that’s a huge exaggeration. He started pretty decent, but clearly not 100%, and was producing well with Boeser. He had his bozo moments but was definitely not a liability. The first 12 games his line had a 63% xGF% and outscored the opposition 10-3 at 5v5. It was only after the Boeser injury that he played really poorly, starting with the Edmonton debacle. His last 5 games without Boeser in the lineup he had a 40% xGF% 5v5 and was outscored 7-4.

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I think that’s a huge exaggeration. He started pretty decent, but clearly not 100%, and was producing well with Boeser. He had his bozo moments but was definitely not a liability. The first 12 games his line had a 63% xGF% and outscored the opposition 10-3 at 5v5. It was only after the Boeser injury that he played really poorly, starting with the Edmonton debacle. His last 5 games without Boeser in the lineup he had a 40% xGF% 5v5 and was outscored 7-4.

He was pretty bad all year. Got his points but the play was not there at any point.

 

[Billy Kvcmu]

He was pretty bad all year. Got his points but the play was not there at any point.

The amount of turn over passes, especially on the PP where he didn’t even take a look first drove me crazy

 

[supercanuck]

He was pretty bad all year. Got his points but the play was not there at any point.

He's also played 70% of 5v5 time with the reigning Norris winner, and practically all with the team's best winger. That helps alot. I also don't think his shooting percentage is sustainable.

With all that being said, he's still one of the best centres in the league (when healthy) and he needs to take all the time he requires to get better. Just wish that EP was also given that luxury.

 

[MS]

Miller was pulling positive goal differentials and putting up a point per game while playing high leverage minutes. His legs went in the last 2 or 3 games he played but claiming he was a liability is functionally insane. Like actually WTF.

 

[sting101]

Let it go FFS

Some posters just have to find a way to turn JT Miller back into the villain for Pettersson being criticized

The obsession with this crap for some posters is weird. And the irony is they didn't like it and then at first opportunity attempt to do it themselves. You know who you are

"As i walked out towards freedom i knew if i didn't leave my bitterness and hatred behind i would still be in prison"

 

[Ernie]

I don't know if I'd call Miller a liability but his possession stats when not on the ice with Hughes this season has been pretty brutal, but that goes for most of the team.

However, Pettersson has kept his head above water in his non-Hughes minutes despite all the criticism. And you can't say that It's because Miller was being hard matched because he was playing offensive minutes with Hughes for the most part, and Pettersson has actually played against (slightly) tougher competition.

Worthwhile to consider how much of Miller's production this season has been because he's played the majority of his minutes with 3 of the 4 other best skaters on the team.

 

[Ernie]

Let it go FFS

Some posters just have to find a way to turn JT Miller back into the villain for Pettersson being criticized

The obsession with this crap for some posters is weird. And the irony is they didn't like it and then at first opportunity attempt to do it themselves. You know who you are

"As i walked out towards freedom i knew if i didn't leave my bitterness and hatred behind i would still be in prison"

Nobody is calling Miller names and everyone is on the same page that he should take all the time he needs to get better. At the same time, nobody was arguing that Pettersson was playing well to start the season.

On the flip side, terrible things were being said about Pettersson, and those people can't even handle a realistic discussion of Miller's play this season in the thread about him taking a leave of absence. Maybe some awareness on your part should be the focus instead of telling people what they can and can't discuss.

 

[Grantham]

My dudes, let's just chill on any Miller criticism for now. I have a feeling this is much much worse than we all imagine. The fact he played at all this season is crazy. Some stuff I read...well I just hope its flat out wrong about the long term implications of this

 

[VanJack]

Hockey is a game of controlled passion and energy. And so many players like Miller who care so deeply and passionately, carry the weight of the world on their shoulders.

You look at last night's game. Nobody would ever doubt Brady Tkachuk's passion and competitive commitment. But late in the third period, he let those passions boil over and took seven minutes in penalties when his team needed him on the ice the most.

I really hope Miller gets whatever help and support he needs. Because clearly the Canucks need him. But hopefully this stretch of games on the road will prove that the Canucks can buckle down and win without him.

Then when he comes back, he might realize that he's not being forced to carry the whole team on his back every game.......that there are other leaders in the dressing-room who can step up and keep the train on the tracks.

 

[sting101]

Nobody is calling Miller names and everyone is on the same page that he should take all the time he needs to get better. At the same time, nobody was arguing that Pettersson was playing well to start the season.

On the flip side, terrible things were being said about Pettersson, and those people can't even handle a realistic discussion of Miller's play this season in the thread about him taking a leave of absence. Maybe some awareness on your part should be the focus instead of telling people what they can and can't discuss.

Miller got called "Bozo" on this page.

 

[HairyKneel]

I think that’s a huge exaggeration. He started pretty decent, but clearly not 100%, and was producing well with Boeser. He had his bozo moments but was definitely not a liability. The first 12 games his line had a 63% xGF% and outscored the opposition 10-3 at 5v5. It was only after the Boeser injury that he played really poorly, starting with the Edmonton debacle. His last 5 games without Boeser in the lineup he had a 40% xGF% 5v5 and was outscored 7-4.

Scoring a point a game is just that easy.