Rumor: Canucks: Should I stay or should I go? Pete stays and Miller goes!

[majormajor]

Now would Miller come to CBJ?

We haven't established that the Jackets want him in the locker room, or that they want to take on a contract that runs on that long into the players late 30s. I think Miller would welcome the move, but the Jackets probably would not.

 

[jacketsnation]

We haven't established that the Jackets want him in the locker room, or that they want to take on a contract that runs on that long into the players late 30s. I think Miller would welcome the move, but the Jackets probably would not.

Good point, Fun topic tho! Hes a playoff clutch player and during this push could sure help us !

 

[Viqsi]

Did you listen to Richardson’s interview? Miller isn’t a locker room cancer. The real issue is that Elias Pettersson can’t handle being told the truth,he’s too soft. Even Richardson agreed with what Miller was saying. Plus, the people interviewing Miller have said he’s a great locker room guy and that they liked him a lot.

I kind of don't care. The last thing the Jackets need right now is to go shopping for distressed assets.

 

[majormajor]

Did you listen to Richardson’s interview? Miller isn’t a locker room cancer. The real issue is that Elias Pettersson can’t handle being told the truth,he’s too soft. Even Richardson agreed with what Miller was saying. Plus, the people interviewing Miller have said he’s a great locker room guy and that they liked him a lot.

You just can't say obviously untrue things like "every player he's played with has loved him". Think about whether the words you are saying are literally true. Take responsibility for the truth of what you are writing.

 

[nucks88]

At this point I would rather they just keep Miller for the duration and see how desperate teams are, including them, at the deadline. Maybe something can be worked out in the off season otherwise.

 

[Pavel Buchnevich]

If it's Dolan driving all the moves than that just reinforces my point even further. The Rangers have been making rash (or if you want to look at it more kindly, bold) moves all summer up through now and have repeatedly put it out in the media that Miller is a player they really want to acquire. It's extremely easy to see them trading for him while keeping Trochek and Zibanejad.

What moves this summer were rash?

And Dolan doesn't manage for his GM day to day. His attention to the Rangers is reportedly in and out. The Knicks are good now, so he's likely out for now and focusing on meddling with the Knicks.

 

[AirGut]

Except we do have leverage. Supposedly, Dallas, Boston and New York all made offers. Who knows whether it's true New Jersey did as well. Regardless, there's your bidding war.

"But Miller has a NMC!"

Yes, and if he wants out, he'll waive it to any one of those teams. Otherwise, he can spend the next five years in couple's therapy with Pettersson. Point is, we're not moving him for New York's junk.



Tocchet mentioned they need to give him a string of starts. So I wouldn't be surprised if that's the case.

If he wants out? It's already been pretty much confirmed that Vancouver has given Miller permission to converse with teams. Rutherford and Allvin are not going to play bipolar here. You don't toy around with an asset of yours that has very clearly asked to be moved out. There's no rush to get it done in the next 24 hours per-say but the longer you wait towards the deadline the more of a shit-storm you continue to peddle. That's not like Rutherford at all. The only team that seems to be mentioned by Friedman in words live on air last night is the New York Rangers. You don't get it. The word is out that it's Broadway or no-way. This has been talked about by guys like Brian Boyle and Nick Kypreos for weeks. There's only one team J.T. seems to be comfortable going to right now and I can't necessarily blame him. He declined Dallas and he declined New Jersey. The money wasn't going to work smoothly with those teams right now anyways. And no disrespect but I highly doubt he wants to spend long-term time in Boston. That reeks of last-resort choice and he's then even further from his family. If there's a locker-room that a guy like Miller feels can run his own way to grind for a cup in the next few years, it's the Rangers.

Don't eye-roll at the Trocheck & Kreider connection either. Those guys are warriors of USA Hockey and one of them is already about to become the C. I think J.T. is going to be given the keys to run-ship wherever he goes.

 

[Dirtyclapper]

Why are the Canucks asking for Lafreniere & Schneider when they have no leverage?

Rangers were asking about Miller before it even came out he might be available

 

[AirGut]

Rangers were asking about Miller before it even came out he might be available

Chris Drury has been keeping close tabs on J.T. since the 2018 trade brother. Man is a stalker and also 1989 little league world series champion.

 

[jacketsnation]

You just can't say obviously untrue things like "every player he's played with has loved him". Think about whether the words you are saying are literally true. Take responsibility for the truth of what you are writing.

ok most players!!

 

[ToDavid]

Did you listen to Richardson’s interview? Miller isn’t a locker room cancer. The real issue is that Elias Pettersson can’t handle being told the truth,he’s too soft. Even Richardson agreed with what Miller was saying. Plus, the people interviewing Miller have said he’s a great locker room guy and that they liked him a lot.

There's no way you can listen to that interview and think Miller comes off well.

Think about it in the context of hockey culture and how prized toughness and intensity is. Now think about how far past the line Miller must be going for an ex-teammate, who professes to love the guy, to come out and say he told him he was going to far.

Maybe Elias Pettersson doesn't like being told he's too soft, or maybe he just doesn't like assholes.

 

[jacketsnation]

There's no way you can listen to that interview and think Miller comes off well.

Think about it in the context of hockey culture and how prized toughness and intensity is. Now think about how far past the line Miller must be going for an ex-teammate, who professes to love the guy, to come out and say he told him he was going to far.

Maybe Elias Pettersson doesn't like being told he's too soft, or maybe he just doesn't like assholes.

I would take a Miller type over a Pettersson type of player all day! Soft wont win you a cup!

 

[Pablo El Perro]

I would take a Miller type over a Pettersson type of player all day! Soft wont win you a cup!

Barkov used to be considered soft.

 

[RedHawkDown]

I would take a Miller type over a Pettersson type of player all day! Soft wont win you a cup!

Miller has never won a cup or even come close to it.

 

[VancouverJagger]

None of us know who the Canucks are asking for.

Canucks have leverage as the best player who will be traded in a JT Miller trade will very likely be JT Miller. The team trading for him will view him as an asset as the Canucks will not be trading him to any team that values him as a cap dump, distressed asset, or whatever.

His value is probably lower than it was say, at the end of last season, but when you're trading a 100 point power-forward center you do not lack leverage.

This is delusional Canuck fan talk...........we have leverage? Trading a disgruntled forward who is most likely only willing to waive for a handful of teams (I'm not convinced he hasn't simply told the Nucks it's Rangers or nothing)? Errrr...........That's not leverage.......

We are going to end up with Chytil, some AHL contracts and hopefully a first (that we can flip) for help elsewhere similar to the Horvat deal...........This is not really fair market value and represents the exact opposite of what you mentioned.

For those of you thinking we are getting Laff AND Schneider here for Miller + Hoglander + please share whatever it is that you are smoking.............it's some good shit. We would be extremely lucky to get one of those let alone both.........

Miller is still valuable but it's highly likely he will severely limit our trading partners.......with definitely affects this deal and it's return imo

 

[rypper]

Miller is the kind of player like Nathan Mackinnon, with annoying quirks and habits that can grind on teammates ,where if you're winning you love him, his teammates love him etc.

But if the team is losing all those little quirks become harder to look past and become near deal breakers.

 

[kanucks25]

This is delusional Canuck fan talk...........we have leverage? Trading a disgruntled forward who is most likely only willing to waive for a handful of teams (I'm not convinced he hasn't simply told the Nucks it's Rangers or nothing)? Errrr...........That's not leverage.......

As long as those handful of teams have assets we want and value Miller (why wouldn't they) I don't see a problem.

If teams like NJD and Dallas are involved, they would definitely want Miller for their contention windows.

Him only wanting to go to NYR is simply your personal speculation.

We can agree to disagree on how much leverage the Canucks have considering neither of us have any real details.

 

[Forge]

If teams like NJD and Dallas are involved, they would definitely want Miller for their contention windows.

The njd interest is dubious right now. Hard to say. I don't think it's coincidence that the scuttle gets out there saying heavy njd interest only to have a rangers trade almost be completed later that day and now someone is saying the devils aren't one of the teams talking to millers camp.

That kind of reeks of someone putting out into to get an offer upped, but obviously that kind of gossip reporting is always questionable at best

 

[Zanon]

If the Canucks trade Miller for Zibanejad, I'm done.

 

[VancouverJagger]

I think you are misunderstanding the word "leverage"

Yes JT is gonna be the best player in any deal..........

HOWEVER

Management (and several players you have to think) are fed up with him and his apparent attitude is affecting the team.........it's hard to dispute that no?

As such it's probable that management has decided to trade him..........this along with the fact that he's most likely only willing to waive for a handful of teams (you really think he's gonna waive to go to the Jets for example? he has a full NT claus and can ABSOLUTELY CONTROL where he goes) will UNDOUBTEDLY HAVE SOME IMPACT on what we can trade him for............

The njd interest is dubious right now. Hard to say. I don't think it's coincidence that the scuttle gets out there saying heavy njd interest only to have a rangers trade almost be completed later that day and now someone is saying the devils aren't one of the teams talking to millers camp.

That kind of reeks of someone putting out into to get an offer upped, but obviously that kind of gossip reporting is always questionable at best

Putting out selective info to the press is ABSOLUTELY part of Rutherford's playbook........While I wish the NJ interest was true I don't really buy it.......

 

[Aaaarrgghh]

I would take a Miller type over a Pettersson type of player all day! Soft wont win you a cup!

Miller is the prime example of what leadership shouldn't be: being highly unsympathetic under the pretense of setting high standards which he himself doesn't live up to. I for one do not want him anywhere near the CBJ locker room.

 

[Mr Positive]

I think you are misunderstanding the word "leverage"

Yes JT is gonna be the best player in any deal..........

HOWEVER

Management (and several players you have to think) are fed up with him and his apparent attitude is affecting the team.........it's hard to dispute that no?

As such it's probable that management has decided to trade him..........this along with the fact that he's most likely only willing to waive for a handful of teams (you really think he's gonna waive to go to the Jets for example? he has a full NT claus and can ABSOLUTELY CONTROL where he goes) will UNDOUBTEDLY HAVE SOME IMPACT on what we can trade him for............



Putting out selective info to the press is ABSOLUTELY part of Rutherford's playbook........While I wish the NJ interest was true I don't really buy it.......

The leverage is mostly affected by how many suitors there are. I agree that we probably can assume that it's just a few, but it's just a guess. If there are even 4-5 suitors I'd think there could be a bidding war. Of course the Canucks will keep every GM in the dark about what the market outlook on Miller is.

You'd think it would be high, because there are so many buyers. Not everyone wants a forward of course. Probably a dozen teams would make a serious offer, among the playoff and bubble teams. But of those, where is Miller waiving?

If I'm a team like Jersey, I'd leak my interest a ton, and then low ball Vancouver

 

[VancouverJagger]

I'm not entirely convinced it's not just the Rangers who he's told Canucks brass that he would be willing to move to.

There are reports that a handful of teams have been given permission to tt him.........does that mean he's given them permission or does it mean the Canucks are hoping to allow a team to tt him to persuade him to go there? The latter seems more plausible to me but i'm only speculating.......

I'm hoping there are more teams involved but I have a hard time seeing more than 3-4 max..........just due to the NTC - Miller holds ALL the cards here.

 

[BLNY]

First line centre for a bottom six winger, a middle pair defender, a stalled forward and a first that may not be a lottery pick? I don't see quantity over quality doing it for the Canucks.

 

[Drake1588]

I get the sense that if Miller's going anywhere, he's going to be picky and call his shot. That's a good offer; I'm just not sure Miller's at the point where he's desperate to leave. For NY, a place he's played before? He might waive to go back to NYC (only if they agree to respect his full NMC, of course). I'm not sure what his thoughts are where Columbus is concerned. I'm also not convinced that the Blue Jackets want to add this combustible element to their team.

I'm not sure he's looking to leave Vancouver, to be honest. With his full NMC, he's got the whip hand. They clearly want to mix up their core, in Vancouver management, but he might not oblige them.