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Rumor: Canucks: Should I stay or should I go? Pete stays and Miller goes!

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I think if CBJ makes any kind of big adds, it will be in the offseason. Don't want to disrupt things with the team, regardless of whether Miller is a locker-room guy or not. The team has a special kind of season going and you don't want to put any "Alpha" types into that room with everything that has gone on.
 
AirGut said:
If he wants out? It's already been pretty much confirmed that Vancouver has given Miller permission to converse with teams. Rutherford and Allvin are not going to play bipolar here. You don't toy around with an asset of yours that has very clearly asked to be moved out. There's no rush to get it done in the next 24 hours per-say but the longer you wait towards the deadline the more of a shit-storm you continue to peddle. That's not like Rutherford at all. The only team that seems to be mentioned by Friedman in words live on air last night is the New York Rangers. You don't get it. The word is out that it's Broadway or no-way. This has been talked about by guys like Brian Boyle and Nick Kypreos for weeks. There's only one team J.T. seems to be comfortable going to right now and I can't necessarily blame him. He declined Dallas and he declined New Jersey. The money wasn't going to work smoothly with those teams right now anyways. And no disrespect but I highly doubt he wants to spend long-term time in Boston. That reeks of last-resort choice and he's then even further from his family. If there's a locker-room that a guy like Miller feels can run his own way to grind for a cup in the next few years, it's the Rangers.

Don't eye-roll at the Trocheck & Kreider connection either. Those guys are warriors of USA Hockey and one of them is already about to become the C. I think J.T. is going to be given the keys to run-ship wherever he goes.
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Funny, because there's an entire article with quotes from Miller himself saying precisely the opposite. Something even Friedman and his own agent corroborated. He hasn't asked for a trade nor is he pushing for one. That doesn't mean he wouldn't welcome it, but that's a far cry from the scenario you've tried to frame here.

Regardless, you disregarded my context. It doesn't matter what Miller wants or doesn't want. He signed a contract. He's not going anywhere unless we agree to send him there. If New York is the only open and Drury is saying Zibanejad or nothing, we're not obligated to make that trade. Hence my comment if Miller does want out that badly, he has to open his list or he's simply staying a Canuck.

We're probably taking a lesser deal than we would in a vacuum, but we're not gifting him to New York either. I mean, even Larry Brooks who's usually up the Rangers ass, is throwing out Lafreniere or Schneider being involved. So it's pretty clear, Rutherford is not signing off on "just give us something."
 
Dirtyclapper said:
Rangers were asking about Miller before it even came out he might be available 😂
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how is that relevant to the question lol

kanucks25 said:
None of us know who the Canucks are asking for.

Canucks have leverage as the best player who will be traded in a JT Miller trade will very likely be JT Miller. The team trading for him will view him as an asset as the Canucks will not be trading him to any team that values him as a cap dump, distressed asset, or whatever.

His value is probably lower than it was say, at the end of last season, but when you're trading a 100 point power-forward center you do not lack leverage.
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they have zero leverage considering JT has a NMC. Weve seen this millions of times
 
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Forge said:
The njd interest is dubious right now. Hard to say. I don't think it's coincidence that the scuttle gets out there saying heavy njd interest only to have a rangers trade almost be completed later that day and now someone is saying the devils aren't one of the teams talking to millers camp.

That kind of reeks of someone putting out into to get an offer upped, but obviously that kind of gossip reporting is always questionable at best
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I’m thinking the Devils would love to have JT Miller. He’s a 220 pound, elite skilled, mean 1C. They have two great centres already, but both are undersized. That takes a toll when matching up against big bodies. Plus, they keep Miller away from the Rangers.
The window is open for the Devils. They’d certainly love to have Miller.
 
Any ‘legit’ reports on what the return from NY would be?

I can’t believe EF said JT was almost pulled for the trade?!
 
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LemonSauceD said:
There’s nothing from the Rangers that interests me. Chytil is 1 real hard body check away from ending his career, Schneider is not a good defensive player, and Lafreniere is about as mid as you can get. KAM screams Tyler Myers 2.0. No real good prospects.

Bruins and Stars are better.
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Youre telling me you wouldnt take a Lafreniere, Schneider, Perreault package lol shut up
 
AirGut said:
If he wants out? It's already been pretty much confirmed that Vancouver has given Miller permission to converse with teams. Rutherford and Allvin are not going to play bipolar here. You don't toy around with an asset of yours that has very clearly asked to be moved out. There's no rush to get it done in the next 24 hours per-say but the longer you wait towards the deadline the more of a shit-storm you continue to peddle. That's not like Rutherford at all. The only team that seems to be mentioned by Friedman in words live on air last night is the New York Rangers. You don't get it. The word is out that it's Broadway or no-way. This has been talked about by guys like Brian Boyle and Nick Kypreos for weeks. There's only one team J.T. seems to be comfortable going to right now and I can't necessarily blame him. He declined Dallas and he declined New Jersey. The money wasn't going to work smoothly with those teams right now anyways. And no disrespect but I highly doubt he wants to spend long-term time in Boston. That reeks of last-resort choice and he's then even further from his family. If there's a locker-room that a guy like Miller feels can run his own way to grind for a cup in the next few years, it's the Rangers.

Don't eye-roll at the Trocheck & Kreider connection either. Those guys are warriors of USA Hockey and one of them is already about to become the C. I think J.T. is going to be given the keys to run-ship wherever he goes.
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I cannot trust a man who spells per se “per-say”
 
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lakeshirts37 said:
they have zero leverage considering JT has a NMC. Weve seen this millions of times
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The Canucks main leverage is that they don't have to actually trade Miller who is signed through 2030.

Leverage can matter in various circumstances when trading but in this case it's a matter of teams like New York being interested in Miller and Vancouver considering a 'hockey trade'. If a deal doesn't make sense for both sides then it's not going to happen, nobody has a gun to their head here,
 
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RandV said:
The Canucks main leverage is that they don't have to actually trade Miller who is signed through 2030.

Leverage can matter in various circumstances when trading but in this case it's a matter of teams like New York being interested in Miller and Vancouver considering a 'hockey trade'. If a deal doesn't make sense for both sides then it's not going to happen, nobody has a gun to their head here,
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I dunno..........did u watch the last 2 games Van played before last night? Both blow outs, both having the looks of a team waiting for the shoe to drop......

It's pretty dire...........If it's not a gun to the head it's at least a knife being waived in your face...........
 
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RandV said:
The Canucks main leverage is that they don't have to actually trade Miller who is signed through 2030.

Leverage can matter in various circumstances when trading but in this case it's a matter of teams like New York being interested in Miller and Vancouver considering a 'hockey trade'. If a deal doesn't make sense for both sides then it's not going to happen, nobody has a gun to their head here,
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so you are assuming there are no locker room issues?

LemonSauceD said:
Perrault? Sign me up.
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“no real good prospects”
 
Fatass said:
I’m thinking the Devils would love to have JT Miller. He’s a 220 pound, elite skilled, mean 1C. They have two great centres already, but both are undersized. That takes a toll when matching up against big bodies. Plus, they keep Miller away from the Rangers.
The window is open for the Devils. They’d certainly love to have Miller.
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And yet they are supposedly not one of the teams talking to Miller's camp. The devils talk seems to be based out of Vancouver

No doubt they would love to have Miller the player. Miller the person and teammate may be a no go. And that's before getting into cost, long term cap ramifications, etc. They may love to have Miller, but I think their actual involvement in this may still be questionable
 
Forge said:
And yet they are supposedly not one of the teams talking to Miller's camp. The devils talk seems to be based out of Vancouver

No doubt they would love to have Miller the player. Miller the person and teammate may be a no go. And that's before getting into cost, long term cap ramifications, etc. They may love to have Miller, but I think their actual involvement in this may still be questionable
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Devils need a big, skilled, tough to handle top 2 centre. They want to move on in the playoffs and other clubs have big centres the Devils don’t math up well against. Miller might not waive to live in New Jersey?
 
Fatass said:
Devils need a big, skilled, tough to handle top 2 centre. They want to move on in the playoffs and other clubs have big centres the Devils don’t math up well against. Miller might not waive to live in New Jersey?
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Maybe he doesn't want to live there and won't waive. Maybe the devils don't have legit interest in him because of factors. Who's to say. Either way leads to a question on whether the devils are actually in on a Miller acquisition
 
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Maybe he doesn't want to live there and won't waive. Maybe the devils don't have legit interest in him because of factors. Who's to say. Either way leads to a question on whether the devils are actually in on a Miller acquisition
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Imo Miller is the centre the Devils definitely need to better balance their top minute centres, especially in match up roles against heavy guys. If their GM didn’t inquire about Miller he’d be not doing his job.

David71 said:
columbus seems like the darkhorse team. more prospects and players of interest than nyr.
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Miller waive to live in Columbus?
 
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SeanMoneyHands said:
The reason why Pettersson likely stays is because the Canucks aren't going to the return that they would like for him.
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You actually believe that? Lol.............All along I would have been SHOCKED if they chose Petey over Miller..........they just gave him a long term deal to a player whose ceiling they've had a pretty decent look at and believe in........(Many at one time believed Petey had top 10 in the league potential.....I know I certainly did) and is the MUCH younger player who u feel safer about playing at his peak for a much longer term and isn't known as a locker room headache at times?

At the time Alvin went to the press to talk about Petey my only real thought there was that they were hoping to motivate him and were never serious about actually trying to move him..........
 
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