Player Discussion JT Miller Thread

[Bleach Clean]

I would say that the main difference is that the number of people who realized Benning was terrible outnumbered the Benning bros here on HF (don't ask about Reddit though, they were massively pro-Benning).

Right now the pro-Pettersson camp is the majority.

Mind you, it started with more people in the Benning camp and eventually people slowly got converted over the years until it was mostly anti-Benning. We're starting to see that with Pettersson as he continues to play poorly, week after week and people eventually get fed up with him.

That being said, the Pettersson defenders I can at least understand because at one point Pettersson was legitimately elite.

So at least I can understand what they see in him, whereas you couldn't understand why anyone would ever think Benning was competent.

But you are right in terms of the excuses.

There's way too many of them. They change all the time. And just like the Benning excuses, they ultimately boil down to "it's not his fault, it's someone else's fault" or "let's wait and see, it's too early to tell."

To your point, if Pettersson was 32 and Miller was 26, Pettersson would've already been run out of town.

Remember, we're on Hockey's Future Forums. Where a future pick or prospect is worth more than a star player because maybe that future pick or prospect might become a star player!

Silly Rabbit, False Equivalencies are for kids.

For @God:

The results of this led to Miller being traded just 2 days later. He was traded along with Ryan McDonagh to the Lightning. No later than a year and half later, Tampa Bay shipped Miller to Canuckland.

WATCH: Miller throwing a tantrum at the goalie has happened before

J.T. Miller has been under the loop since he was handed his $56M contract this summer and so far he has not played or acted up to the standards he set when he had a career high 99 points last season.

www.canucksdaily.com

 

[PavelBure10]

Love Miller even if he is the problem and has to go. Milsy is one of the only Canucks this year that showed any emotion when Hughes was getting mugged. Love that he dropped the gloves with rat boy when Marchand was spearing Hughes. While the rest of the bench "Blueger/Brannstrom excluded" just watched, it was Miller who was sticking up for the teams best player. Love Miller and its unfortunate that circumstances has come to this. He should of retired a Vancouver Canuck.

 

[TraderJim]

I would say that the main difference is that the number of people who realized Benning was terrible outnumbered the Benning bros here on HF (don't ask about Reddit though, they were massively pro-Benning).

Right now the pro-Pettersson camp is the majority.

Mind you, it started with more people in the Benning camp and eventually people slowly got converted over the years until it was mostly anti-Benning. We're starting to see that with Pettersson as he continues to play poorly, week after week and people eventually get fed up with him.

That being said, the Pettersson defenders I can at least understand because at one point Pettersson was legitimately elite.

So at least I can understand what they see in him, whereas you couldn't understand why anyone would ever think Benning was competent.

But you are right in terms of the excuses.

There's way too many of them. They change all the time. And just like the Benning excuses, they ultimately boil down to "it's not his fault, it's someone else's fault" or "let's wait and see, it's too early to tell."

To your point, if Pettersson was 32 and Miller was 26, Pettersson would've already been run out of town.

Remember, we're on Hockey's Future Forums. Where a future pick or prospect is worth more than a star player because maybe that future pick or prospect might become a star player!

I agree. The problem is that this is how it started with Benning too. A small group saw what was happening and started questioning things and then were routinely attacked for being overly negative or because they "had an agenda against the team".

Hell I got a response in another thread saying that Pettersson is 100% completely innocent in this. How the hell are you suppose to even have a discussion if that's the starting point?

It's the exact same thing that happened with Benning where they wouldn't even acknowledge that there might be a problem.

If those people are right then Hughes is one of the worst captains we've ever had to allow his star forward to be abused by a fellow teammate.

You can't have it both ways. Either Pettersson shares some responsibility or Hughes and the rest of this leadership group have failed abysmally for allowing it to get to this level.

 

[VanJack]

I suppose 'honesty is the best policy'. But you have to wonder where it's actually gotten Rutherford with his candid assessment of where things sit between Pettersson and Miller.

All he's done is ensure that this soap opera will drag on for the rest of the season---or until one of them is traded. It's almost impossible to discount the impact this could have to the play of the entire team on the ice. And it'll continue to be an obsession of reporters in whatever city they do into.

An unholy mess......and a really bad look on the entire organization.

 

[pitseleh]

 

[PuckMunchkin]

I would say that the main difference is that the number of people who realized Benning was terrible outnumbered the Benning bros here on HF (don't ask about Reddit though, they were massively pro-Benning).

Right now the pro-Pettersson camp is the majority.

Mind you, it started with more people in the Benning camp and eventually people slowly got converted over the years until it was mostly anti-Benning. We're starting to see that with Pettersson as he continues to play poorly, week after week and people eventually get fed up with him.

That being said, the Pettersson defenders I can at least understand because at one point Pettersson was legitimately elite.

So at least I can understand what they see in him, whereas you couldn't understand why anyone would ever think Benning was competent.

But you are right in terms of the excuses.

There's way too many of them. They change all the time. And just like the Benning excuses, they ultimately boil down to "it's not his fault, it's someone else's fault" or "let's wait and see, it's too early to tell."

To your point, if Pettersson was 32 and Miller was 26, Pettersson would've already been run out of town.

Remember, we're on Hockey's Future Forums. Where a future pick or prospect is worth more than a star player because maybe that future pick or prospect might become a star player!

The Rutherford interview changed my position the most on EP.

I still think he is injured and was injured during the summer that affected his summer trainig, and anyone who knows their shit will tell you that training cannot be replaced while the season is on.

But.

This Miller / Pettersson divide is something Ive never seen before. And the Rutherford interview is something Ive never seen before.

This is not within the standard events of pro sports. I think I got Millers personality right early. People laughed at me.

I think I got EPs personality wrong. I dont think he fits any of the 'archetypes' Ive come across in my profession. UNLESS something really weird took place between the two players that we dont know about. But this changes the equation for me. The Rutherford interview.

 

[kanucks25]

I think having this type of personality on a team is a good thing. There's a reason why pretty much every ex player that's been asked about this situation says how much they'd love to have JT on their team.

But there needs to be balance in the force. JT probably needs a vet that he respects that will give him rope but can and will shut him down if it goes too far. That guy last season could have been Cole and we don't have one this season. Myers might be a candidate but just doesn't seem like that type of guy.

It's also a terrible look for JT in general when he acts like he'll do anything to win but then goes through stretches where he's constantly making stupid and/or lazy decisions.