Player Discussion JT Miller Thread

[Spectrefire]

The offers won't be any better later IMO, and they need to be rid of this story ASAP. Take what you can get and move on.

Depends on the situation out east really. At this point, it's a race to see who's more desperate, Rangers or US.

 

[Regal]

The offers won't be any better later IMO, and they need to be rid of this story ASAP. Take what you can get and move on.

Seems very shortsighted. Why do we have to be rid of the story now ? If shit is coming back for him the season is lost anyway.

 

[ProviesGhost]

Seems very shortsighted. Why do we have to be rid of the story now ? If shit is coming back for him the season is lost anyway.

The other team's leverage will be the same in the summer. Everyone knows the situation. The teams who want him, will want him for this playoff run (he's getting old too) and our owner is not going to let management flush another season down the toilet (Francesco does like that playoff revenue).

And also, this shit isn't new, these guys have been at odds for years. If anything, they've haven't acted soon enough.

 

[iceburg]

Weighing the pros and cons of trading Miller:

1. Con: losing the best forward for this club over the last 5 years. Without an equivalent replacement, the team will be less competitive in the short term. When your best player in the deal is going out the door, you're going to lose the deal in the short term.

2. Pro: Opportunity to get younger. As much as Miller has done for this team he's on the down slope. At 32 (in March) he has already out performed his age. Particularly because of the physical way he plays, he will very likely be a 3rd or 4th line player in two years.

3. Pro: Selling while there's still value. This can't be understated. If a team is going to have sustained success, they need to get value out of aging assets. The remaining core is in their mid 20s. Now is the time to start filling in the line-up that is coming after that core.

4. Pro: Opportunity to address biggest need. The team needs one and arguably two more top 4 D if they think they are going to be cup contenders during Hughes' peak years.

5. Pro: Dressing room harmony. I'll just leave it there. I'm not sure how much of this is real or media hype to get clicks.

As much as I like Miller, the pros do outweigh the cons.

 

[Regal]

The other team's leverage will be the same in the summer. Everyone knows the situation. The teams who want him, will want him for this playoff run (he's getting old too) and our owner is not going to let management flush another season down the toilet (Francesco does like that playoff revenue).

And also, this shit isn't new, these guys have been at odds for years. If anything, they've haven't acted soon enough.

Leverage is irrelevant to desire. Sometimes you need to wait it out, like the Duchene deal. You don’t take a shit deal just to get rid of him. That’s absurd

 

[ProviesGhost]

Leverage is irrelevant to desire. Sometimes you need to wait it out, like the Duchene deal. You don’t take a shit deal just to get rid of him. That’s absurd

They have waited it out, they almost traded him before (probably for the same reasons). I also don’t think they'll take "a shit deal", and that if they don’t like the returns I think they will wait. I just don’t think you're going to get more later, we disagree on that which is fine.

 

[xtr3m]

Weighing the pros and cons of trading Miller:

1. Con: losing the best forward for this club over the last 5 years. Without an equivalent replacement, the team will be less competitive in the short term. When your best player in the deal is going out the door, you're going to lose the deal in the short term.

2. Pro: Opportunity to get younger. As much as Miller has done for this team he's on the down slope. At 32 (in March) he has already out performed his age. Particularly because of the physical way he plays, he will very likely be a 3rd or 4th line player in two years.

3. Pro: Selling while there's still value. This can't be understated. If a team is going to have sustained success, they need to get value out of aging assets. The remaining core is in their mid 20s. Now is the time to start filling in the line-up that is coming after that core.

4. Pro: Opportunity to address biggest need. The team needs one and arguably two more top 4 D if they think they are going to be cup contenders during Hughes' peak years.

5. Pro: Dressing room harmony. I'll just leave it there. I'm not sure how much of this is real or media hype to get clicks.

As much as I like Miller, the pros do outweigh the cons.

Some of your pros are only potential opportunities. That is, IF they work out, which is not a guarantee.

 

[iceburg]

Some of your pros are only potential opportunities. That is, IF they work out, which is not a guarantee.

This could be a life motto...there are no guarantees...but not trying is a sure way to fail.

 

[AwesomeInTheory]

Leverage is irrelevant to desire. Sometimes you need to wait it out, like the Duchene deal. You don’t take a shit deal just to get rid of him. That’s absurd

Add to this his NMC being a spanner in the works of any potential deals, too.

 

[y2kcanucks]

He has the 44th highest cap hit among forwards and is 53rd among forwards in points per game (min 25 games). He hasn’t been so far off his value this year that it negates being a bargain last year.

Last year does not matter. I'm referring to his production this year.

 

[SillyRabbit]

Seems like nobody is thinking about what happens if you trade Miller and Pettersson still underperforms.

Everyone seems to be convinced that Miller is the reason that Pettersson is playing poorly.

I think a lot of people are going to be in for a rude awakening if Miller does get traded.

 

[4th line culture]

Seems like nobody is thinking about what happens if you trade Miller and Pettersson still underperforms.

Everyone seems to be convinced that Miller is the reason that Pettersson is playing poorly.

I think a lot of people are going to be in for a rude awakening if Miller does get traded.

Maybe people are thinking about petey being 1.5 points a game during Miller's 10 game reset

 

[Bubbles]

Had to laugh when Don Taylor proposed the Miller for Horvat trade when the Islanders could be in the mix.

 

[andora]

For what’s it’s worth yesterday I noticed Miller was stretching/rotating his left leg while skating during stoppage time.

100% hes hurt

 

[Bleach Clean]

Had to laugh when Don Taylor proposed the Miller for Horvat trade when the Islanders could be in the mix.

The implication is hilarious.

 

[Regal]

Last year does not matter. I'm referring to his production this year.

I stated the numbers this year. And pretending this year only matters is bullshit anyway

 

[sting101]

Seems like nobody is thinking about what happens if you trade Miller and Pettersson still underperforms.

Everyone seems to be convinced that Miller is the reason that Pettersson is playing poorly.

I think a lot of people are going to be in for a rude awakening if Miller does get traded.

Pettersson probably will get healthy and back to being a 85-100 pt player but what i would be more concerned about is a C depth
of....
Pettersson Blueger Sasson Amen Raty

 

[Bleach Clean]

Leverage is irrelevant to desire. Sometimes you need to wait it out, like the Duchene deal. You don’t take a shit deal just to get rid of him. That’s absurd

Or with Drouin holding out on Yzerman, only to be waited out, come back, and then traded on Yzerman's timeline.

I do think that the Horvat precedent will temper any return Miller receives. Other teams will use it as a template.

 

[vadim sharifijanov]

Had to laugh when Don Taylor proposed the Miller for Horvat trade when the Islanders could be in the mix.

miller + myers for horvat and ryan pulock

they can have raty back too if they want

lou lam is that insane right?