Real good in AHL, but kinda ghost in the big league so far. Not sure we'll ever see more from him, at least in Montreal.
Player Discussion Joshua Roy
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DAChampion
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Donald, you really think that Roy is playing tremendous hockey?
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Ok it might actually be that I'm missing details. I'm not the finest observer. But I'm just not seeing a lot of chances. And regardless, there had to be production eventually.
Habs
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I think he played a very good simple game yesterday . He went to the net , battled in the boards .
Give him time on this line . People will be surprised when they start clicking .
I saw a lot of the small things he did well and his past times in the nhl he was not doing
Give him time on this line . People will be surprised when they start clicking .
I saw a lot of the small things he did well and his past times in the nhl he was not doing
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Tweener type , rather have a bottom 6 energy guy than him , I don't see it
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Unfortunately it’s not what the Habs need right now. They are in a playoff hunt. We can’t just try and wait for him to start to click with his linemates. A move should have been made.
I still don’t see who he surpasses on this team going forward. Cole, Slaf, Laine, Demidov, Newhook, Anderson. 3 lines worth of wingers that are better than him and he’s not going to play on the 4th line.
Bingo.
Some fans have unrealistic expectations and turn their frustration into completely ungrounded assessments of the player.
Team needs him to compete hard for every puck, play within the system & spacing requirements and as mistake free as possible. Anything above that is gravy. You can tell that's exactly how he's trying to integrate himself (while adjusting to new linemates, the intensity & pressure of playoff push hockey, the raw emotions of playing in the loudest barn in pro hockey et.).
He'll obviously have to contribute more if he wants to secure an regular NHL spot in the top 9 vs being an injury call-up, but Rome wasn't built in a day.
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He doesn't need to surpass any of them, there will always be injuries, sometimes several at once. The 13th forward can play 82 games a year.
For me that isn't the sentiment at all. He just doesn't move at a pace that is fast enough for the NHL and doesn't have the style to not be on a scoring line IMO. If he is able to get a bit quicker, he could be an NHL player but at this point in his career he's unlikely to get there. I'm hoping he does.
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He’ll stagnate that way. Plus other players that offer more are also knocking at the door. I don’t think he’s talented enough to separate himself as a slow and cerebral player.
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I agree that it looks bleak for Roy, but I think that he has one more chance next year if he gains strength, power, and speed.
Meh. He's moving more than effectively enough for his current usage.
Also, the mental/emotional realities of his current state are impacting the speed at which he plays the game. That can and should improve as he gains more confidence. This is exactly the type of nuance missed in the hot takes about Roy and other skilled forwards in recent years... Many said the exact same thing about Slaf, and likewise failed to consider how much maturity/emotions play into a player's ability to execute at any given point in time.
If Roy stayed stuck at this level, sure, not much future for him as a regular NHLer in 11-12th man usage. But at 21 and with the progress he's worked hard to achieve the past 2-3yrs, I'd say that's oversly pessimistic
The Gr8 Dane
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Guys like Kapanen and Beck will end up being much more useful imo
OldCraig71
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It is a good learning experience to be part of this run to make the playoffs.
I did notice that he was late on the forecheck several times, but he seemed to improve in the second half of the game.
For me, he looked at his best when he was with the veteran Monahan, I haven't seen that level of play from him since. He needs to find a way to contribute because changes are coming to this roster and he might be one of the casualties.
I did notice that he was late on the forecheck several times, but he seemed to improve in the second half of the game.
For me, he looked at his best when he was with the veteran Monahan, I haven't seen that level of play from him since. He needs to find a way to contribute because changes are coming to this roster and he might be one of the casualties.
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Agreed. He seems to look better as the game progresses, it was apparent against the Canucks too.
I thought he would solidify himself as a top 6 forward in the NHL given how he looked next to Monahan and then Newhook/Armia. The stats may appear mediocre, but he was creating chances.
I don't think we're in a position to mess up the chemistry of the other 3 lines, and frankly, I don't think anyone else in the organization outside the NHL (besides Demidov) would do a good job in the top 6 anyways. Just gotta hope he gets more comfortable and more engaged. He likely doesn't have a future here, but ideally he builds enough value to net something worthwhile instead of a mid round pick, which would be his current value.
He's an enigma for sure. It's funny how Laval's PP has taken an uptick ever since Roy has been called up. I hope Vincent takes note because I've seen better overall play when the PP is not centered around Joshua Roy. His best attributes will always be his touches in and around the net and we do see some of that when he actually gets there.
OldCraig71
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I don't follow the Rocket but that's some interesting info.
Some were pencilling him into the top 6 and were predicting he had a shot at rookie of the year and yet, here we are.
The NHL is all about speed unless you have world-class offensive ability or valuable defensive attributes and are a PK specialist, and Roy isn't either of those.
He might find a way with some more reps at the NHL level or he might be a 60-70 point AHLer who can't replicate it in the big league. There have been many like that over the years.
As fans watching games, we aren't really aware of the speed of the game and we don't know how difficult it is to process that and be productive.
considering there is so many negative comments on him (not you obviously( , and me being so convinced in the positive i saw from him now vs how he played previous call up, i will go on a limb and say in the next few games he will unblock and his offence will have a major contribution....
of course if i am wrong anyone can make fun of me and this post..... But if not, be ready for many i told you so
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The problem is the same that we've had for years.... not enough talent to help younger players develop. At least we have one line that's working. Slaf is getting the benefit of Nick and Cole. After that though it's very thin. Laine is a pure shooter who's not driving the play. Newhook is a waterbug with a low IQ. And now Roy is coming into to join those guys... it's not a good place to develop him. The Habs need a 2nd line center badly. Newhook gets moved down and then all of a sudden we start to have some depth. But until they get that figured out, it's going to be a drag on the team.considering there is so many negative comments on him (not you obviously( , and me being so convinced in the positive i saw from him now vs how he played previous call up, i will go on a limb and say in the next few games he will unblock and his offence will have a major contribution....
of course if i am wrong anyone can make fun of me and this post..... But if not, be ready for many i told you so
Habnot
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I mean the biggest red flag on Roy has always been his lack of pace....this is not new. It is more apparent now because that Marty has the team playing with a lot of pace. The Habs speed yesterday was really apparent and surprising.
I don't think this is something Roy can fixed to the point that pace is not an issue. Maybe Farrell with turn out to be a better prospect because he is quicker.
I don't think this is something Roy can fixed to the point that pace is not an issue. Maybe Farrell with turn out to be a better prospect because he is quicker.
Kimota
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I actually think he seems to be getting better and better as he goes along. It's a matter of him adapting. But if he doesn't, just bring back Beck.
His pace looks more than fine at the AHL level, as it did at the WJC.
Interestingly about your Farrell comment is that some posters believe it is precisely his lack of elite skating ability & ability to play at a faster pace that will prevent him from making the NHL at his stature.
There's no doubt that smallish forwards that rely on skill, game IQ & craftiness to impact the game have a much harder time becoming NHL regulars without elite skating... But neither Roy nor Farrell are Corey Locke-esque concerns in the skating department.
Habnot
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I watched quite a few of Laval's games this year and while I agree Farrell is not a speedster, he is definitely quicker to the eye. Could be wrong but Roy just cannot forecheck at the NHL pace.
