Seravalli: Josh Norris

[DackellDuck]

Disagree, that's 8 million that could be better spent and since shoulder injuries are almost a guarantee to never go away it's a matter of when not if imo. The org is looking to shake things up so he is the obvious move given how much better Chabby has been with Jensen. Even if they get peanuts for him, great, that 8 mil could easily get a better player on July 1 or failing that(cause it's Ottawa after all) gives the team FAR more flexibility going forward to make all sorts of moves that were non options under EM's ownership. And saying he's the best defensive centre on the Sens does not remotely make him a good defensive centre and I would argue he isn't that anyway since Timmy is better 2 way imo

If Norris is traded in a good hockey deal, it could benefit Ottawa, yes.

So sure, if another team wants to meet the price for a 25 year old C who can score 35 goals and offers something that improves the team (say a physical top 4 RD), pull the trigger.

But trading him “for cheap” while taking back a large contract (like LA did with Kuemper for Dubois)?

No sense or logic in doing it.

And Ottawa doesn’t need cap space for July 1st. They’re a market that’s unlikely to attract good UFAs, barring big overpays in salary or term (and even then you’re looking at the guys who are 33 years old +, not the premier options like a Nik Ehlers). They’re not going to be able to sign a better player than Josh Norris for less money than he’s currently making. Teams like Dallas or Florida can clear salary in anticipation of signing top UFAs… not Ottawa.

 

[Barsky]

If Norris is traded in a good hockey deal, it could benefit Ottawa, yes.

So sure, if another team wants to meet the price for a 25 year old C who can score 35 goals and offers something that improves the team (say a physical top 4 RD), pull the trigger.

But trading him “for cheap” while taking back a large contract (like LA did with Kuemper for Dubois)?

No sense or logic in doing it.

And Ottawa doesn’t need cap space for July 1st. They’re a market that’s unlikely to attract good UFAs, barring big overpays in salary or term (and even then you’re looking at the guys who are 33 years old +, not the premier options like a Nik Ehlers). They’re not going to be able to sign a better player than Josh Norris for less money than he’s currently making.

I never advocated for them to take back any money, quite the opposite. I know no one wants to sign in Ottawa, hence why I said (cause it's Ottawa after all) but anyone who stays healthy is a better option. Again, it's a matter of when, not if and it's not like it is likely to happen in the off season. It would happen mid season and then they're up sh1t creek. He's too much of a risk, the most important ability is availability and if not him then who, cause I'm going on the assumption a core guy is going at some point, that's the point. Better to trade away your overpaid ticking time bomb than your most improved Dman this year(Chabby). Zub? Pinto? Who do you suggest?

 

[Leafshater67]

Are you under the impression Ottawa has to trade Norris? Ottawa's problem is goals against so if Norris returned a top 4 D, solid defensively, then I could see them making that move. Otherwise, they have no reason to move him and he certainly wouldn't be cheap.

I just mean he’d likely be cheap compared to what he could bring. Where’s the value in an overpaid player with major injury trouble?

Ottawa is up against the cap with nothing to show for it. Not saying they move him at all but they’re in need of a major shakeup and clearing up some cap wouldn’t hurt either.

 

[Viqsi]

It’s basically an American city.

Capital of the Maple Leaf State, or something?

 

[My3Sons]

How do we know he wasn’t talking about Lando Norris?

 

[DackellDuck]

I never advocated for them to take back any money, quite the opposite. I know no one wants to sign in Ottawa, hence why I said (cause it's Ottawa after all) but anyone who stays healthy is a better option. Again, it's a matter of when, not if and it's not like it is likely to happen in the off season. It would happen mid season and then they're up sh1t creek. He's too much of a risk, the most important ability is availability and if not him then who, cause I'm going on the assumption a core guy is going at some point, that's the point. Better to trade away your overpaid ticking time bomb than your most improved Dman this year(Chabby). Zub? Pinto? Who do you suggest?

I’m not as concerned about his shoulder, plenty of players have had serious early career injuries and gone on to play many years well. Derick Brassard was one. Norris has looked fine this year. Good on faceoffs, engages physically, etc.

But in terms of trading, I’d be open to moving anyone (Norris, Pinto, Chabot, Zub, Greig) and would make the decision based on who, or which package, brings back the best value that helps the team now.

What I wouldn’t do is move a guy like Norris just to get him off the books.

If you can make a trade that brings back a good player who you think fits better? Sure. If you’re selling him for cheap? No thanks.

 

[BoardsofCanada]

His overly inflated paychecks and imminent career ending shoulder injury are plenty reason enough for Ottawa to move him and yes, he would accordingly be relatively cheap

Thank god you're not in charge.

 

[Barsky]

I’m not as concerned about his shoulder, plenty of players have had serious early career injuries and gone on to play many years well. Derick Brassard was one. Norris has looked fine this year. Good on faceoffs, engages physically, etc.

But in terms of trading, I’d be open to moving anyone (Norris, Pinto, Chabot, Zub, Greig) and would make the decision based on who, or which package, brings back the best value that helps the team now.

What I wouldn’t do is move a guy like Norris just to get him off the books.

If you can make a trade that brings back a good player who you think fits better? Sure. If you’re selling him for cheap? No thanks.

You won't like the return for Norris or Chabby then cause of their contracts, so I guess it's Pinto or Zub which will really piss off piles of fans. Between the 3, its Norris for me all day long, regardless of the return, so agree to disagree. You don't appreciate shoulder injuries at all, given the complexity and fragile nature of a universal joint. I know cause I'm an unfortunate expert, not by choice

 

[DackellDuck]

You won't like the return for Norris or Chabby then cause of their contracts, so I guess it's Pinto or Zub which will really piss off piles of fans. Between the 3, its Norris for me all day long, regardless of the return, so agree to disagree. You don't appreciate shoulder injuries at all, given the complexity and fragile nature of a universal joint. I know cause I'm an unfortunate expert, not by choice

You’re right, Chabot is in the same boat as in the return value wouldn’t make trading him worth it.

Pinto? Sure, depending on what you get.

I think the Senators would be better off keeping Norris and getting a good asset for Pinto than keeping Pinto and getting no assets for Norris.

Pinto’s upside isn’t any higher, to be frank. I doubt he ever scores 35 in the NHL.

And it’s too bad you’ve had a bad run with your own shoulders, but that doesn’t exactly mean Norris will be in the same boat. I’m sure the Sens medical staff can make a much better assessment of where he’s at and what his risk profile is.

 

[Barsky]

You’re right, Chabot is in the same boat as in the return value wouldn’t make trading him worth it.

Pinto? Sure, depending on what you get.

I think the Senators would be better off keeping Norris and getting a good asset for Pinto than keeping Pinto and getting no assets for Norris.

Pinto’s upside isn’t any higher, to be frank. I doubt he ever scores 35 in the NHL.

And it’s too bad you’ve had a bad run with your own shoulders, but that doesn’t exactly mean Norris will be in the same boat. I’m sure the Sens medical staff can make a much better assessment of where he’s at and what his risk profile is.

And tbh Pinto is another shoulder injury away from being in Norris' boat. One you can get away with, but once they pile up, especially as young as Josh is, the odds are heavily stacked against him having a long career. Given his performance so far this year, he might be the best option and tbh he is more highly regarded league wide. GM's LOVE big young mobile centre's that can score, he's very tantalizing on paper! Zub works too, I know GoldenJet on here has been banging that drum for a while and I've warmed up to that idea now that he's done for the rest of the calendar year