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Seravalli: Josh Norris
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Move a player that the org has clearly identified as a winger for a center. Once Cole's current deal is up if he continues on his current trajectory of being a mid 50 point player you are probably talking about a cap hit in the 6-7 mil range on his next deal so the contact is at least somewhat similar form 25/26 onwards. Technically the same amount of team control 5 years.
I can't say I would be super in favor of such a deal but as a hypothetical I think it's relatively balanced.
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He is getting traded back to the Sharks tonight, and he will have to switch teams in the arena. They will get a tight shot before the game of Brady leaning on his stick, staring off as Norris walks down the hall, a single tear streams down his face as his new teammate Cody Ceci places a hand on his back to console him - which Brady annoyed nudges off.
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Perfetti is younger, putting up similar points, and his next contract will still likely be less than (or at least close to) Norris's. Perfetti also has 1 year left at 3.25, and then they likely try and go long term. So there will be more control with Perfetti as well. And he has no current shoulder issues that will likely follow him for his career.
The only plus in Norris's side is playing centre. And the Jets have Lambert and Yager (and possibly Lucius if he can stay healthy), as possible upcoming centres.
I wouldn't be against them looking into Norris, but it would have to be cheap and possibly with some retention for it to make sense for them to take on all that risk. At that point the Sens likely just keep the player and keep hoping he stays healthy.
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I think Ottawa would be disappointed if they want Schmaltz as the 2c. He's fine as a fill in, but not as a primary center. He's a RW, and a good one, albeit streaky at times. He's worth what 2rw are worth.
Norris is about the same player, with a different skill set which makes him a much better center, which increases his value. Now he has a longer contact left and injury concerns, that hurts his value and may make a 1:1 viable, but a healthy Norris is far more valuable.
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Man, seriously... Where would Norris even line up in our stacked roster? I mean, do we have to start icing 5 lines now? Acciari, Nieto, Hayes, are roster monoliths and CANNOT come out of the line up... Our Centers are set in stone!!!! So ridiculous.
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I mnetioned Farabee earlier, and a Flyers fan liked it.
Anyone else want to chime in with their thoughts on that?
Anyone else want to chime in with their thoughts on that?
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Would love him on the Flames.. I feel he fits our timeline, but unless it's Huby or Kadri going back (with retention?) I don't see how it could happen.
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I don’t think a straight across deal covers the risk with Norris.
I’ve also given up on Farabee. I am convinced he’s never gonna score again. So I’m not sure why the Senators would do that trade. But I’m also not sure why the Flyers would do the trade because of Norris’ shoulder.
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It seems like a Kadri for Norris basis of discussion is worth investigating based on a Sens fan earlier. But I don't know if that means enough Sens fans think it's worth discussing.
Kadri might do it because he'd be closer to home (Toronto).
Calgary IIRC is looking to add a middle 6 C though, so not sure how moving Kadri will affect those plans. (Centre backbone of Backlund, Norris, Zary? Another deal for another middle 6 C?)
I also assume Ottawa wants reasonable value or they'll take the risk on Norris. They aren't necessarily paying to get out of his contract. Kadri offers value now, but also has the same contract value concerns as Norris. But Kadri's concerns are more value vs contract in later years, not all or nothing like Norris is. Ottawa might prefer someone who has more NHL GP/ year to year average than ceiling upside vs Calgary might be happier with younger player + higher ceiling upside with potentially lower GP. Swapping these risks might work for both teams.
It might be doable.
As a Flames fan, I'd kinda hope for a little bit of insurance that we can get a minimum amount of games from Norris... Something like if Norris plays less than X amount of games for the first 2-3 years Sens owe any 2nd or 3rd in those seasons he doesn't play enough games (Sens can trade for the pick to fulfil the conditions if needed).
Conditions something like, if Norris plays more than 40 regular season games, no picks transfer. If less than 40 regular season games played 3rd. If less than 20 regular season games played pick upgrades from a 3rd to 2nd.
To ensure Flames get a pick, if somehow Sens don't have a pick they want to transfer to fulfil conditions, pick can be deferred a year and bumped up a round if somehow they can't get a pick in that season to fulfil the conditions (Sens unlikely to exercise this option). Just a back up clause in case of something weird like Sens don't have a pick or want to retain the pick for an offer sheet.
The intention of the "any pick" is also so that picks don't get locked up in insane conditions like the Monahan trade conditions. As a Flames fan, I don't wish such crazy conditions that lock up picks on any other team.
