Proposal: Josh Norris to Van

[TeamRenzo]

Continued Injury Issues, expressed intrest to get out of his long term contract for a while now, and cap flexibility.

He is obviously worth more than that but with him not being able to stay healthy for extended stretches and a long term deal, I think the return if Norris gets traded is going to be pitiful.

Enough said...Sens pass

 

[Barsky]

I feel Norris is either going to be playing or on LTIR. He's never going to end up being such a liability that's predominantly healthy imho. It's either he's healthy and benefits the team even if not massively, or he is a bandaid on LTIR.

Or his shoulders get destroyed to the point he can't shoot the puck at the same velocity anymore, which is his big strength, yet is still healthy enough to play, as a shadow of his former self, but still making 8mil/. Staios should take the initial offer and run

 

[Qward]

Would have made sense if he was part of a trade involving Miller, but it doesnt make sense for Ottawa at this point.

 

[ReginKarlssonLehner]

I see something similar to this. Mainly to free Ottawa of the money to allocate it the way Staois wants to build the team.

Norris can be a star; legit star. But those injuries are serious concern.

 

[Slippy]

Continued Injury Issues, expressed intrest to get out of his long term contract for a while now, and cap flexibility.

He is obviously worth more than that but with him not being able to stay healthy for extended stretches and a long term deal, I think the return if Norris gets traded is going to be pitiful.

Never heard this even hinted at from Norris.

 

[tantalum]

If I'm Vancouver I pivot to McCann now that he's on the market over both Cozens and Norris.

 

[BondraTime]

Never heard this even hinted at from Norris.

Believe it's meant as "the team would like to get ouot of his contract"

Which they absolutely should. 9.5 million USD for Norris in real cash is an absolute load for a team like Ottawa, and the 8 mill cap hit is also a huge amount.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

If Norris is dealt for a package like this, either our season is over (i.e offseason deal) or his is (i.e. season-ending injury). He wont be dealt for a package of pieces we dont really want or need unless there is an opportunity to improve the team, and this deal does the opposite at the moment.

 

[Barsky]

I think I'd beat that as a Seattle fan.

Ok, so what's the offer then?

 

[Fatass]

Norris is a really good player. How much more can his shoulder take befor he’s sent to Robidas Island? Is his contract even insured at this point?

 

[Barsky]

Norris is a really good player. How much more can his shoulder take befor he’s sent to Robidas Island? Is his contract even insured at this point?

The smart money says we will find out eventually, just a matter of time

 

[BoardsofCanada]

For the record, his latest injury is his hip. His shoulder has held up very well this season (knock on wood).

 

[StewieP19]

I really like Pinto play

As a Canucks fan I'd rather acquire pinto

This year he struggle to get point on board but still effective in defensive and still potential to be dangerous in attack

 

[Golden_Jet]

Ottawa passes on those pieces.

 

[ottawagm]

If I'm Vancouver I pivot to McCann now that he's on the market over both Cozens and Norris.

Doubt SEA want to help VAN and definitely not for 2 cap dumps and a 2nd.

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

For the record, his latest injury is his hip. His shoulder has held up very well this season (knock on wood).

Also worth noting he has been more physical than ever before.

30th in the league in hits despite missing some games. The only fwds above him in hits with more points are Schenn (+1), Wilson (+11), Trocheck (+6), and Tkachuk (+13).

 

[Barsky]

Also worth noting he has been more physical than ever before.

30th in the league in hits despite missing some games. The only fwds above him in hits with more points are Schenn (+1), Wilson (+11), Trocheck (+6), and Tkachuk (+13).

Not to mention shockingly great at faceoffs especially for a guy with chronic shoulder issues!

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Not to mention shockingly great at faceoffs especially for a guy with chronic shoulder issues!

And a threat on the PK and a pretty solid matchup C! It's been a while, but man oh man, when he's feeling it on the PP? Guy can absolute rip em home!

There are definitely concerns with Norris, but he is also a pretty damn good player. Probably not a 1st liner but above average at basically every aspect of the game and very good or even borderline elite at a few.

 

[Barsky]

And a threat on the PK and a pretty solid matchup C! It's been a while, but man oh man, when he's feeling it on the PP? Guy can absolute rip em home!

There are definitely concerns with Norris, but he is also a pretty damn good player. Probably not a 1st liner but above average at basically every aspect of the game and very good or even borderline elite at a few.

He's an ideal 3C or even 2LW given all his tools and tbh his shoulders are less of a concern and more of a ticking time bomb to me(I've had numerous shoulder injuries myself). If not for his huge pay checks I'd want to keep him, but as it is that money is better spent elsewhere imo

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

He's an ideal 3C or even 2LW given all his tools and tbh his shoulders are less of a concern and more of a ticking time bomb to me(I've had numerous shoulder injuries myself). If not for his huge pay checks I'd want to keep him, but as it is that money is better spent elsewhere imo

I think you're underselling him a bit.

I think the money can be better spent elsewhere, but it could also be spent much worse. Given our lack of assets and lack of appeal to FA's as a medium market Canadian team, would need to see a realistic plan to use that money well and wisely before jettisoning Norris.

Soucy, Hoglander, etc., doesn't even get me thinking.

 

[Drew Doubty]

No way Ottawa does this. Boeser + a 1st for Norris makes more sense, but Ottawa would have to really lack confidence in Norris going forward to do that. Ottawa isn't looking to give up on this season and I don't know how, with the cap going up, keeping Norris isn't in their interest. Sure he's injury prone, and maybe isn't worth 8 mill for what he brings at this exact moment, but if he becomes a consistent 30+ goal scoring center he absolutely will be worth that and more in a couple years.

I think you're underselling him a bit.

I think the money can be better spent elsewhere, but it could also be spent much worse. Given our lack of assets and lack of appeal to FA's as a medium market Canadian team, would need to see a realistic plan to use that money well and wisely before jettisoning Norris.

Soucy, Hoglander, etc., doesn't even get me thinking.

Boeser + a nice prospect like D-Pettersson and a pick would probably be the package. But as you said, there's no guarantee you use the cap space wisely. Re-sign a 28 year old Boeser at 8x7 instead of keeping a 25 year old Norris for the same price? I don't know if that's the right upside bet for a young team looking to break into the contender class.

 

[Barsky]

I think you're underselling him a bit.

I think the money can be better spent elsewhere, but it could also be spent much worse. Given our lack of assets and lack of appeal to FA's as a medium market Canadian team, would need to see a realistic plan to use that money well and wisely before jettisoning Norris.

Soucy, Hoglander, etc., doesn't even get me thinking.

Agreed and I fully admit I'm biased based on my own shoulder experiences and the knowledge I've gained due to it. Totally agree that it would be quite hard to attract anyone better and given the cap rise Sens are likely better off just keeping him. It's the inevitability of future injuries I don't like though and as the old saying goes, the most important ability is availability, which is where he falls short the most for me

 

[pld459666]

Continued Injury Issues, expressed intrest to get out of his long term contract for a while now, and cap flexibility.

He is obviously worth more than that but with him not being able to stay healthy for extended stretches and a long term deal, I think the return if Norris gets traded is going to be pitiful.

Ottawa has expressed interest to get out of his long term contract??

 

[Nucker42]

Only reason this idea percolates is because Hughes and Norris are best friends. People in Vancouver, including me are scared Hughes is going to leave when his contract ends.

I wouldn’t touch Norris with a 10 foot pole. Canucks just got Chytil who’s 1 hit away from a career ender. Also, the Canucks are soft and small.

I just don’t see a good fit. You know where he would be unreal? Vegas

 

[The Devilish Buffoon]

Agreed and I fully admit I'm biased based on my own shoulder experiences and the knowledge I've gained due to it. Totally agree that it would be quite hard to attract anyone better and given the cap rise Sens are likely better off just keeping him. It's the inevitability of future injuries I don't like though and as the old saying goes, the most important ability is availability, which is where he falls short the most for me

I definitely see your side of the equation, it's an important part to consider. Part of my consideration is that I don't see Ottawa being a cap team if the cap keeps rising, and so I'm not so concerned about the long-term cap implications of his injuries. Obviously it is still money, but the situation you're describing would be partially covered by insurance.

No way Ottawa does this. Boeser + a 1st for Norris makes more sense, but Ottawa would have to really lack confidence in Norris going forward to do that. Ottawa isn't looking to give up on this season and I don't know how, with the cap going up, keeping Norris isn't in their interest. Sure he's injury prone, and maybe isn't worth 8 mill for what he brings at this exact moment, but if he becomes a consistent 30+ goal scoring center he absolutely will be worth that and more in a couple years.


Boeser + a nice prospect like D-Pettersson and a pick would probably be the package. But as you said, there's no guarantee you use the cap space wisely. Re-sign a 28 year old Boeser at 8x7 instead of keeping a 25 year old Norris for the same price? I don't know if that's the right upside bet for a young team looking to break into the contender class.

I would only value Boeser as a rental, but a trade like that could potentially work imo. Basically the assets are rental Boeser, cap space in the summer, and whatever else is included in the deal.

Whether that's a smart deal or not depends a lot on how effectively the FO can be in attracting FAs of a higher caliber than this previous summer.