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Player Discussion Josh Norris (C) 6’-1” - Part 3

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DylanSensFan said:
I think this is a bit much, don't you? If he's doesn't have 60 to 70 points by the end of the season, then you can call him overpaid. But he is not VASTLY overpaid.
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Agree, Norris is easily $7 million on the open marketer so he’s overpaid by about 900K
 
DylanSensFan said:
I think this is a bit much, don't you? If he's doesn't have 60 to 70 points by the end of the season, then you can call him overpaid. But he is not VASTLY overpaid.
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He's on pace for like 48 which is low-2nd / high-3rd line production among centers last year. The problem is he's paid like a good (not great) 1st liner. Last year, guys like Max Domi, Philip Danault, Adam Henrique, and Tommy Novak were around that just with less goals. Even if you add a 'goalscorer premium', he's still not worth anywhere near 7.950

If he gets close to 70 I'll eat crow and be happy to do it.

FTR: I think he's about 2 million (~25%) overpaid.
 
KevinRedkey said:
He's on pace for like 48 which is low-2nd / high-3rd line production among centers last year. The problem is he's paid like a good (not great) 1st liner. Last year, guys like Max Domi, Philip Danault, Adam Henrique, and Tommy Novak were around that just with less goals. Even if you add a 'goalscorer premium', he's still not worth anywhere near 7.950

If he gets close to 70 I'll eat crow and be happy to do it.

FTR: I think he's about 2 million (~25%) overpaid.
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Chandler Stephenson, as a UFA, got a 7 year deal at $6.25M AAV last summer. Career high of 65 points, but the year before signing, scored 51 points in 75 games. More of a playmaker, not much goal scoring (career high of 21 goals).

If Norris rounds out as a 50-55 point guy (~30 goals), he's probably getting a bit more than Stephenson considering his age, faceoff ability, goals being worth more than assists, etc.

I think FMV would be $6.5M-6.75M for Norris, so he's about $1.25-1.5M overpaid.

If he ups his production to 60-70 points, he's a $7M guy. So we'd be paying market value + the cold weather tax. Not terrible.

Personally I'd still try him on Stützle's wing since I think he can be a 35-40 goal triggerman, but I'm not to coach.
 
I thought this was interesting:



Honestly we’re probably a better team with Norris at centre because when everyone’s going it allows us to run 4 decent lines, but during one of the cold streaks they really should try Norris on Stützle’s wing. Feels like that would be a game changer if they ended up having great chemistry.
 
that could be so good.

Stutzle is shy about shooting but has creativity up the wazoo.

Norris is a shooter but lacks creativity to take the next step.

And together I think they could also be part of one of the better defensive lines in hockey too.

Stutzle-Norris
Brady-Pinto
Greig-Batherson

as three lines we could roll. and just move Batherson up when a spark is needed.
 
PlayOn said:
I thought this was interesting:



Honestly we’re probably a better team with Norris at centre because when everyone’s going it allows us to run 4 decent lines, but during one of the cold streaks they really should try Norris on Stützle’s wing. Feels like that would be a game changer if they ended up having great chemistry.
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I think it'd be an easier switch to make if Pinto was producing well and was busting his way into the top 6... but while he's gotten better recently, he's still not putting up all that much offense.
 
PlayOn said:
I thought this was interesting:



Honestly we’re probably a better team with Norris at centre because when everyone’s going it allows us to run 4 decent lines, but during one of the cold streaks they really should try Norris on Stützle’s wing. Feels like that would be a game changer if they ended up having great chemistry.
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I actually think him on the wing could be really good,
- he could take the draws for Stutzle,
- Adds a shooters mentality to Stu
- Gets Greig playing center on the third line

With a healthy lineup, we have some good options

Norris-Stutzle-Giroux
Tkachuk-Pinto-Batherson
Perron-Greig-Amadio
Cousins-Ostapchuk-Gaudette/Gregor

What's nice about the above setup, is the top 6 lines each have a LH and RH guy that is good at the dot, so we could always be taking the draw on our strong side. Even the 4th line would have a guy for each side if we opt for Gaudette and Ostapchuk.

That said, until we get some bodies back though, our bottom six would look more like this:
Cousins-Greig-Gaudette
Highmore-Ostapchuk-MacEwen

I don't think that third line cuts it, maybe with just Amadio back it would be ok,
 
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DackellDuck said:
I think it'd be an easier switch to make if Pinto was producing well and was busting his way into the top 6... but while he's gotten better recently, he's still not putting up all that much offense.
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Pinto has 11 points in 15 games since his two goal game in Carolina.

Micklebot said:
I actually think him on the wing could be really good,
- he could take the draws for Stutzle,
- Adds a shooters mentality to Stu
- Gets Greig playing center on the third line

With a healthy lineup, we have some good options

Norris-Stutzle-Giroux
Tkachuk-Pinto-Batherson
Perron-Greig-Amadio
Cousins-Ostapchuk-Gaudette/Gregor

What's nice about the above setup, is the top 6 lines each have a LH and RH guy that is good at the dot, so we could always be taking the draw on our strong side. Even the 4th line would have a guy for each side if we opt for Gaudette and Ostapchuk.

That said, until we get some bodies back though, our bottom six would look more like this:
Cousins-Greig-Gaudette
Highmore-Ostapchuk-MacEwen

I don't think that third line cuts it, maybe with just Amadio back it would be ok,
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I’d probably switch Giroux and Perron, I think Greig would need the faceoff help. But otherwise I like it.
 
PlayOn said:
Pinto has 11 points in 15 games since his two goal game in Carolina.


I’d probably switch Giroux and Perron, I think Greig would need the faceoff help. But otherwise I like it.
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Greig is over 52% at the dot, he's actually been pretty good at the dot this year, basically everyone but Stutzle has been good.
 
Micklebot said:
Greig is over 52% at the dot, he's actually been pretty good at the dot this year, basically everyone but Stutzle has been good.
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He doesn’t take a lot of them though, and my thinking is that if you put Norris with Stützle they’ll probably take less d-zone draws (although maybe not, I just assume they’ll want to maximize their offensive output). If you have Giroux with Greig you can probably give them more of that workload.
 
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