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Player Discussion Josh Norris (C) 6’-1” - Part 3
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I think Norris has been playing well considering that he is recovering from off-season surgery. He is making physical checks and now starting to use his slapshot on one-timers. Hopefully he continues to play well and get better as he feels better and confident in his shoulder. Still not worth $8M AAV but he is headed in the right direction.
JD1
Registered User
The PP isn't designed to set up his one timer. It's there in the playback but it's not THE play.
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sena
Registered User
I figured it was just Brady being treated as the star, don't make him stand in front of the net like a no skill meathead. Norris can do it, Brady gets to be the shooter
UglyPuckling
Registered User
I think how fast he can shoot the puck and how fast (velocity) he shoots in game situations are different questions with different answers. If a player has ample time to wind up and make a slap shot, that’s one thing. If a player in a game situation needs to take a quick shot from a few feet away in order to beat the goalie, that’s another situation.
Yes, I do hope the velocity of his shot is what it once was, or that it gets there over time. I don’t think I have an answer to that question. In the meantime, I hope he makes solid contributions in point production and defensively. The Senators and their fans will undoubtedly benefit if this is the case. There seems to be a fair amount of people that are betting against him.
One of the good things about the Senators is that they have three good centers. I’m less certain and more hesitant than some I’d think that another better center at lower cost could be available & acquired. Almost every team would seek & welcome such a player.
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It makes no sense to trade Norris at this time as it would create a hole at Center. Unless we get another center back that we think is going to be better than Norris. Might as well hope Norris continues to improve his play and let him work though his recovery.
I certainly do not want another Zibby-Brassard type of trade: a young improving center for an old declining vet center.
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JD1
Registered User
Cycling back on this.
The difference between 24-25 and 21-22 is the PP. In 21-22 the PP was designed with Norris as the shooter.
At 5 on 5, now versus then shots/60 are 6.49 versus 6.4. Actually statistically higher now but not noticeably so.
On the pp, now versus then it's 5.56 versus 19.14.
NyQuil
Big F$&*in Q
It was sort of one of those obvious anecdotal observations but it’s nice to see it reflected in the statistics.
It would be cool if we could have a couple of different set-ups to cycle through during an individual game.
I don’t know if it’s too much to ask, or if we do that already and I don’t notice, or they do that already and it fails miserably.
Sometimes I see us doing the same thing PP after PP in-game and it makes you roll your eyes.
JD1
Registered User
I think Norris was perhaps less confident in his ability to shoot and there's a different D at the top of the umbrella. No doubt Jake saw that one timer and went wow. Jake really hasn't seen one of those before. I'm hoping we see a bit more of that.
I was going to do data lookup when I initially read your post and responded yesterday but was in the middle of making supper
TheNewEra
Registered User
i dont actually understand why we havent tried this, especially since the offense has kind of halted
Norris-Stutzle-Batherson
Tkachuk-Pinto-Giroux
Cousins-Greig-Gaudette
Reinhardt-Ostapchuk-Gregor
Will have our 6 best forwards in the top 6. Then when perron and amadio are back plug them into the third line with Greig
bicboi64
Registered User
Plus Stu doesn't have to be tied to Giroux for us to win a faceoff. I'm down to see Stu set up Norris for some goals
Sens of Anarchy
Registered User
Norris has to compete harder more often through a game and per game. Period.
They should take his bobbly hands off the PP and not saddle another top line with him until he shows he is ready to compete harder
They should take his bobbly hands off the PP and not saddle another top line with him until he shows he is ready to compete harder
h2
Registered User
Norris' bobbly hands is actually a pretty big liability on the PP. He's the player I have the least confidence in with making quick plays when aggressive PK's pressure him to make a play.
bicboi64
Registered User
How much harder do we want him to compete? He already is getting the toughest deployments on ice, is playing a physical game, blocking shots, hitting, etc.,
I'm all for him putting in the work on his passing and playmaking, but his compete level is one thing I'm impressed with. He's not a super tenacious forchecker, but after Tkachuk he's probably our most physical forward and isn't afraid to get into dirty areas to fight for the puck
I'm all for him putting in the work on his passing and playmaking, but his compete level is one thing I'm impressed with. He's not a super tenacious forchecker, but after Tkachuk he's probably our most physical forward and isn't afraid to get into dirty areas to fight for the puck
h2
Registered User
I just don't think the two-way play is as consistent the same like it was during his first two seasons. I was actually very impressed with Norris for those first two seasons, he was a two-way beast then. I've seen Norris miss numerous assignments lately that weren't committed earlier, it looks uncharacteristic to me. There's a little bit of cheating or misreading going on with him. Still willing to be a little patient with it, but results need to happen soon. The playmaking and split second decision making definitely needs to be worked on going forward, his hands are questionable for a top 6 forward.
Sens of Anarchy
Registered User
DylanSensFan
BEESHIP: NBH
Dude is on pace for 30 goals this season if he keeps it going. Can't be mad at him, after coming back from shoulder surgery and being on a decent pace.
DylanSensFan
BEESHIP: NBH
I think this team needs some practices at home, so they can get back to how they were playing, including acknowledging their assignments. I think they want to win so badly sometimes that they make mistakes. I see Norris trying out there on most every shift, making hits and trying to make plays. I appreciate what he's bringing and he can only improve from here.
GCK
Registered User
Last change will really help.
aragorn
Do The Right Thing
While most people think Norris is having a down yr he is second in goals just behind Brady. It's nuts to move on from a very good young goal scorer who could be close to breaking out again. Haven't we learned anything yet, that when you trade these guys they come back to haunt us & are always better where they end up. And the return always seems to turn out either crappy or with injuries or head problems. Norris is a very good two way top six centre, let him continue to develop & he is buddies with Tkachuk, they don't grow on trees
For those that want to get rid of one or the other it's quite possible it could turn into moving Hossa all over again & we end up losing our two goal leaders & how do we replace two top six players & goal scorers with Giroux aging? And what will Stutzle do if Tkachuk or his buddy who also speaks German Norris leaves, why would he stay if they start taking the team apart? If either goes there is a real possibility that we also lose a number of other US players like Pinto, Kleven & Sanderson & we end up back to rebuilding again. IMO Tkachuk keeps those guys here & without him they could be all gone.
For those that want to get rid of one or the other it's quite possible it could turn into moving Hossa all over again & we end up losing our two goal leaders & how do we replace two top six players & goal scorers with Giroux aging? And what will Stutzle do if Tkachuk or his buddy who also speaks German Norris leaves, why would he stay if they start taking the team apart? If either goes there is a real possibility that we also lose a number of other US players like Pinto, Kleven & Sanderson & we end up back to rebuilding again. IMO Tkachuk keeps those guys here & without him they could be all gone.
ReginKarlssonLehner
Let's Win It All
Even though on pace for 30 goals, still a -11 and that matches eye test. Also on face for 45 total points.
He must be better. I don't see "our 2nd best physical forward". But the comments of him having toughest deployment after serious shoulder surgeries are legit, and 30 goals are still 30 goals.
I liked the idea of Norris for Terry. Or like a swap of that sort.
Someone said "they are best friends" when talking about Brady; that won't do **** for us and sometimes that is more destructive. Look at Philly trading Carter and Richards when they were all buddies and it was no longer a professional environment; but did great things for Philly.
Norris deserves bigger rope as I feel his circumstances and age and ability he can bounce back into regular 30-30 guy with great 2 way game, but I would look at making a swap for sure if possibility is there, especially for a more physical or proven track record guy.
I would still also look into a character guy being important trait of who we target; wasn't JT Miller been reported on several teams as being issue? I'd avoid that even though he sounds exactly what we need. He's also on older side. We are giving up 6 years with that swap.
He must be better. I don't see "our 2nd best physical forward". But the comments of him having toughest deployment after serious shoulder surgeries are legit, and 30 goals are still 30 goals.
I liked the idea of Norris for Terry. Or like a swap of that sort.
Someone said "they are best friends" when talking about Brady; that won't do **** for us and sometimes that is more destructive. Look at Philly trading Carter and Richards when they were all buddies and it was no longer a professional environment; but did great things for Philly.
Norris deserves bigger rope as I feel his circumstances and age and ability he can bounce back into regular 30-30 guy with great 2 way game, but I would look at making a swap for sure if possibility is there, especially for a more physical or proven track record guy.
I would still also look into a character guy being important trait of who we target; wasn't JT Miller been reported on several teams as being issue? I'd avoid that even though he sounds exactly what we need. He's also on older side. We are giving up 6 years with that swap.
