Player Discussion Josh Norris (C) 6’-1” - Part 3

[NyQuil]

What is more compelling I think is the shot production:

24-25: 1.94 S/G
23-24: 2.30 S/G
22-23: (8 game sample)
21-22: 2.60 S/G
20-21: 1.71 S/G

His shooting percentage is actually right where it was in 21-22 (20.0% vs. 20.3%) but he’s shooting almost 25% less.

 

[Cosmix]

I think Norris has been playing well considering that he is recovering from off-season surgery. He is making physical checks and now starting to use his slapshot on one-timers. Hopefully he continues to play well and get better as he feels better and confident in his shoulder. Still not worth $8M AAV but he is headed in the right direction.

 

[JD1]

What is more compelling I think is the shot production:

24-25: 1.94 S/G
23-24: 2.30 S/G
22-23: (8 game sample)
21-22: 2.60 S/G
20-21: 1.71 S/G

His shooting percentage is actually right where it was in 21-22 (20.0% vs. 20.3%) but he’s shooting almost 25% less.

The PP isn't designed to set up his one timer. It's there in the playback but it's not THE play.

 

[sena]

Seems to me this year they've been using Norris on the PP to play where Brady used to play (i.e. right in front of the net), and Brady is... kind of all over the place, sometimes behind the net, sometimes at the point even. Doesn't make much sense to me, but it could be because of Norris' limitations with his shoulder (can't take passes), and because Brady seems to have a better scoring touch a little bit away from the net, using his shot rather than his suboptimal hands up close.

Now if Norris can score again on one-timers like he did last game, maybe they revert to the old setup, with Brady going back to the front of the net, focusing on disrupting the goalie and tipping shots.

I figured it was just Brady being treated as the star, don't make him stand in front of the net like a no skill meathead. Norris can do it, Brady gets to be the shooter

 

[UglyPuckling]

even last year he was in the 80-90th percentile, hopefully he can get back to that vs the 50th percentile.

I think how fast he can shoot the puck and how fast (velocity) he shoots in game situations are different questions with different answers. If a player has ample time to wind up and make a slap shot, that’s one thing. If a player in a game situation needs to take a quick shot from a few feet away in order to beat the goalie, that’s another situation.

Yes, I do hope the velocity of his shot is what it once was, or that it gets there over time. I don’t think I have an answer to that question. In the meantime, I hope he makes solid contributions in point production and defensively. The Senators and their fans will undoubtedly benefit if this is the case. There seems to be a fair amount of people that are betting against him.

One of the good things about the Senators is that they have three good centers. I’m less certain and more hesitant than some I’d think that another better center at lower cost could be available & acquired. Almost every team would seek & welcome such a player.

 

[Cosmix]

I think how fast he can shoot the puck and how fast (velocity) he shoots in game situations are different questions with different answers. If a player has ample time to wind up and make a slap shot, that’s one thing. If a player in a game situation needs to take a quick shot from a few feet away in order to beat the goalie, that’s another situation.

Yes, I do hope the velocity of his shot is what it once was, or that it gets there over time. I don’t think I have an answer to that question. In the meantime, I hope he makes solid contributions in point production and defensively. The Senators and their fans will undoubtedly benefit if this is the case. There seems to be a fair amount of people that are betting against him.

One of the good things about the Senators is that they have three good centers. I’m less certain and more hesitant than some I’d think that another better center at lower cost could be available & acquired. Almost every team would seek & welcome such a player.

It makes no sense to trade Norris at this time as it would create a hole at Center. Unless we get another center back that we think is going to be better than Norris. Might as well hope Norris continues to improve his play and let him work though his recovery.

I certainly do not want another Zibby-Brassard type of trade: a young improving center for an old declining vet center.

 

[JD1]

What is more compelling I think is the shot production:

24-25: 1.94 S/G
23-24: 2.30 S/G
22-23: (8 game sample)
21-22: 2.60 S/G
20-21: 1.71 S/G

His shooting percentage is actually right where it was in 21-22 (20.0% vs. 20.3%) but he’s shooting almost 25% less.

Cycling back on this.

The difference between 24-25 and 21-22 is the PP. In 21-22 the PP was designed with Norris as the shooter.

At 5 on 5, now versus then shots/60 are 6.49 versus 6.4. Actually statistically higher now but not noticeably so.

On the pp, now versus then it's 5.56 versus 19.14.

 

[NyQuil]

Cycling back on this.

The difference between 24-25 and 21-22 is the PP. In 21-22 the PP was designed with Norris as the shooter.

At 5 on 5, now versus then shots/60 are 6.49 versus 6.4. Actually statistically higher now but not noticeably so.

On the pp, now versus then it's 5.56 versus 19.14.

It was sort of one of those obvious anecdotal observations but it’s nice to see it reflected in the statistics.

It would be cool if we could have a couple of different set-ups to cycle through during an individual game.

I don’t know if it’s too much to ask, or if we do that already and I don’t notice, or they do that already and it fails miserably.

Sometimes I see us doing the same thing PP after PP in-game and it makes you roll your eyes.

 

[JD1]

It was sort of one of those obvious anecdotal observations but it’s nice to see it reflected in the statistics.

It would be cool if we could have a couple of different set-ups to cycle through during an individual game.

I don’t know if it’s too much to ask, or if we do that already and I don’t notice, or they do that already and it fails miserably.

Sometimes I see us doing the same thing PP after PP in-game and it makes you roll your eyes.

I think Norris was perhaps less confident in his ability to shoot and there's a different D at the top of the umbrella. No doubt Jake saw that one timer and went wow. Jake really hasn't seen one of those before. I'm hoping we see a bit more of that.

I was going to do data lookup when I initially read your post and responded yesterday but was in the middle of making supper