Player Discussion Josh Norris (C) 6’-1” - Part 3

[Burrowsaurus]

Good point, they all do.

Even the people you like most are probably associated in one way or anything with people that you don’t like

 

[LiseL]

But why not use them before surgery? I've always been told surgery should be the last option and with stem cells it makes surgery redundant.

Maybe the other surgeon who did the first 2 surgeries didn't do a good job?

 

[Tuna99]

I don't care if he's Gandhi and Mother Teresa's lovechild, if he only has one shoulder that works and he's being paid $8M a year for 8 years, you take the opportunity that a bounce-back season offers and you trade him.

A cap world doesn't allow a lot of room for sentiment.

players you would of traded in the prime of their career because of injury:

Mario Lemieux
Sidney Crosby
Erik Karlsson
Daniel Alfredsson

You’re so hard core

 

[NyQuil]

players you would of traded in the prime of their career because of injury:

Mario Lemieux
Sidney Crosby
Erik Karlsson
Daniel Alfredsson

You’re so hard core.

I don’t respond to pointless hyperbole.

 

[Billy Bridges]

Wasn't it stated somewhere that Norris' second surgery wasn't really done correctly? Or am I mistaken about that?

Instability after the surgery suggests it wasn't 100% successful for a pro athlete, but would still have been done correctly for the average individual.

 

[Stylizer1]

Maybe the other surgeon who did the first 2 surgeries didn't do a good job?

That's a possibility but I doubt it. My understanding of stem cells is that they regenerate the damaged tissue to where it's new again where surgery is reattaching something back together and forcing the healing to take place. It's like the difference in becoming sick and your body learning how to fight off the virus as opposed to an antibiotic that speeds up the process but isn't stored in your DNA for future illnesses.

 

[Sens of Anarchy]

Just gotta believe brother.

 

[Stylizer1]

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Just gotta believe brother.

 

[GCK]

That's a possibility but I doubt it. My understanding of stem cells is that they regenerate the damaged tissue to where it's new again where surgery is reattaching something back together and forcing the healing to take place. It's like the difference in becoming sick and your body learning how to fight off the virus as opposed to an antibiotic that speeds up the process but isn't stored in your DNA for future illnesses.

Your way oversimplifying.

 

[Big Muddy]

Was hoping there was some news on Norris recovery here, but I guess not.

 

[Stylizer1]

Your way oversimplifying.

If i used my rocket surgeon talk no one would understand. Play to your audience.

 

[Tuna99]

I don’t respond to pointless hyperbole.

that’s how you don’t learn.

 

[NyQuil]

that’s how you don’t learn.

Ok, let me put it this way.

You clearly believe that Josh Norris is a generational future HHoF talent based on that post of yours.

And I happen to disagree with that absurd notion.

Am I correct? Or were you in fact employing pointless hyperbole?

 

[Tuna99]

Ok, let me put it this way.

You clearly believe that Josh Norris is a generational future HHoF talent based on that post of yours.

And I happen to disagree with that absurd notion.

Am I correct? Or were you in fact employing pointless hyperbole?

Tarasenko us 3 shoulders surgeries, almost sued the Blues and has 2 Cups now. Fans were happy when Spezza was traded because they thought he had a bad back - stupid.


All players get injured. Check out Alfie at the beginning of his career, Vermette, Chris Phillips had lots of injuries early too

if your attitude is anger towards young good players because they get injured and you want them out just for the sake of getting rid of them because they are injured - that’s a culture that you’ll never win with. Injury are a part of sports.

And if Norris scores 400 more goals he’ll be in the HOF. Joe Pavalski did and Norris can do it too - so yes Norris has HOF a potential if he has a long career

 

[NyQuil]

iif your attitude is anger towards young good players because they get injured and you want them out just for the sake of getting rid of them because they are injured - that’s a culture that you’ll never win with. Injury are a part of sports - your attitude is s

Who is angry here?

You seem to be the only one who is angry.

Either way, I’m rooting for Josh Norris to recover. Why wouldn’t I?

We maximize his value in a trade or he becomes a useful player for the team.

 

[frightenedinmatenum2]

My knees are completely destroyed from city football and I still run for the OC Transpo bus with grocery bags. Josh has no excuse.

 

[NyQuil]

Fans were happy when Spezza was traded because they thought he had a bad back - stupid.

He did have a bad back and he never as good as he was before his chronic back injuries.

I liked Volchenkov a great deal but it was clear that his body was breaking down and thankfully it was New Jersey that took the risk by signing him when they did and not Ottawa.

Jonathan Cheechoo was a 50 goal scorer whose surgeries ruined him as a competitive player.

And if Norris scores 400 more goals he’ll be in the HOF. Joe Pavalski did and Norris can do it too - so yes Norris has HOF a potential if he has a long career

It’s just that simple!

 

[Tuna99]

Who is angry here?

You seem to be the only one who is angry.

Either way, I’m rooting for Josh Norris to recover. Why wouldn’t I?

We maximize his value in a trade or he becomes a useful player for the team.

I’m glad you changed your outlook - best thing for this team is a 100% healthy Josh Norris playing out his entire contract

 

[NyQuil]

I’m glad you changed your outlook - best thing for this team is a 100% healthy Josh Norris playing out his entire contract

It’s the same outlook.

If he’s still playing below the level when he signed that contract, and someone else is willing to take on that risk, you make the trade depending on the cost to do it.

If he looks like the same guy as he was, great, we hold on to him as you say.

 

[LiseL]

I remember Tank getting 2 shoulder surgeries while in St. Louis, was really pissed at the Blues. He then got the 3rd surgery with a new surgeon and has been good ever since. Norris' 3rd surgery was done by the same surgeon Tank used for his successful surgery so there's reason to be hopeful IMO.

Instability after the surgery suggests it wasn't 100% successful for a pro athlete, but would still have been done correctly for the average individual.

 

[Micklebot]

Interesting tidbit coming from Travis Green during his CiH interview, he mentioned that talking to him and people around him that there's a sense that he's feeling a lot better than last year. That's probably a pretty low bar given the start Norris had and the early end to his season, but a good sign none the less.

 

[Senscore]

Interesting tidbit coming from Travis Green during his CiH interview, he mentioned that talking to him and people around him that there's a sense that he's feeling a lot better than last year. That's probably a pretty low bar given the start Norris had and the early end to his season, but a good sign none the less.

I should hope so. By getting the surgery early he'll have ample recovery time instead of rushing back in after a rehab, and then again rushing back at earliest convenience from surgery.

If it doesn't stick this time then we really do have a serious problem.

 

[Micklebot]

I should hope so. By getting the surgery early he'll have ample recovery time instead of rushing back in after a rehab, and then again rushing back at earliest convenience from surgery.

If it doesn't stick this time then we really do have a serious problem.

I don't recall exactly when they decided to get surgery last time, but he was injured in January, where as this year, it was in late Feb. I don't think it was ever an issue with having enough recovery time, the surgery just didn't resolve the issue (there was some reports of a set back right around the start of training camp)

The hope is this time around, it will heal properly, and his shoulder will be stable. If that happens, there will be no rushing, if it doesn't then we have a similar issue to last season.

 

[PlayersLtd]

I don't quite know how this contributes to the conversation but last year I had a beer in an airport with a guy who told me he goes by the name of "Dr. Bullseye".

According to him he was the best PRP (Platelet Rich Plasma) injector in the country. In simple terms (I'll probably get corrected) this is the act of injecting proteins on damaged tissue to speed up the recovery process, especially useful on tendon or ligament damage.

His particular talent was in identifying from the grainy image of the spectro cam exactly where the optimal spot was and dropping the protein right in there like hitting a bullseye.

He said when successful it is a miracle cure and he used athlete's shoulders as his specific example.

I also had a brother who had a handful of shoulder surgeries and none got it right until finally one surgeon hit the mark. He went for a completely separate shoulder surgery down the road and nobody but that original doctor would touch the shoulder because it was so complicated how he had sewn the tendons back together.

So all this to say the way I understand it, shoulder treatments are absolutely only as good as the people performing or prescribing them. I haven't had time to go over Norris' charts personally but I'd like to think that it's possible that the right doctor is able to get him back to full health.

 

[Xspyrit]

He did have a bad back and he never as good as he was before his chronic back injuries.

I liked Volchenkov a great deal but it was clear that his body was breaking down and thankfully it was New Jersey that took the risk by signing him when they did and not Ottawa.

Jonathan Cheechoo was a 50 goal scorer whose surgeries ruined him as a competitive player.

Man, you could go on forever... we had so many of them... Milan Michalek, Jared Cowen, Pascal Leclaire, Bobby Ryan, Matt Murray, Peter Regin, etc... so many players that fans ended up disliking because they got diminished by injuries.

It's the nature of this sport, not really easy on the body

I'm holding hope that Norris is back to his former self and never looks back, but it is "hope", it's possible but far from guaranteed

I was hoping that Matt Murray became an healthy player so the contract that Dorion gave him didn't become an anchor... false hope

Interesting tidbit coming from Travis Green during his CiH interview, he mentioned that talking to him and people around him that there's a sense that he's feeling a lot better than last year. That's probably a pretty low bar given the start Norris had and the early end to his season, but a good sign none the less.

If Norris could ever go back to that 2021-22 level, that would be gigantic for the rebuild and I'd be quite more optimistic

Tkachuk - Stutzle - Batherson
?????? - Norris - ??????
Greig - Pinto - ??????

We'd still have 3 big holes in the top-9 though (I mean post Giroux and Perron)

How is it f***ing possible that we don't even have a full top-9 of the future after missing the playoffs 7 years?