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i f***ing wish quine was in the doghouse. i'm tired of watching him suck it up every time he touches the puck.
Recalled/Assigned: Josh Ho-Sang assigned to Bridgeport *Sent Down to BST 12/15*
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HoSang has time to develop into a player. It doesn't have to be right now.
"overrated"?
ive seen more people saying "send him down" than singing his praises.
as for ho-sang, hes trade bait in my eyes. let garth get whatever he can get for him. i doubt it would work, but i would try to send him to philadelphia for gudas.
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That guy is one dumb play from a 20+ game suspension. And, that guy does a lot of dumb plays.
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JHS is the type of player who needs a ,lot of seasoning before coming into his own. Let him get big minutes in Bport but I'd also like to see some other players getting a chance. Surely, Bernier, Gionta or Fritz is no worse than Quine or Chimera, but we all know it's going to be Prince simply because he's on a 1-way deal. The desire to make more wholesale changes simply isn't there
CREW99AW
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If by better work ethic you mean better defensively, I agree .
However,Beau's hustle does not make up for his disappointing lack of offense.
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8 minutes a night that can destroy your whole game, no I am not a fan of this idea not at all
Chimera and Quine both don't belong to any NHL roster and Prince, well I doubt Prince is the solution for our current problems getting a solid defense oriented bottom 3rd and 4th line
As for HoSang it seems he's Dougs whipping boy. I don't agree to the chorus of calling him turnover machine. Yes, he has some turnovers, but not incredibly more than others and he's contributed something offensively that Chimera and Quine would never ever bring on the ice.
well...he has not had much help either with who he has been playing with.....non the less, up or down...he will be learning from this season....he is a smart kid.
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Beau is 20 1/2 years old. He is the kind of player you send down to season his game and build up physical strength and conditioning. He has the tools and the determination to be a productive NHL roster player at some position, likely middle 6 but possibly as low as a grinding 4th liner.
Ho Sang is another kettle of fish IMO. He may need "seasoning" but in a different way. While he would benefit from strength and conditioning, his main needs are learning that pro hockey in the NHL is not a solitary enterprise. He has some exceptional tools in skating ability and speed, good vision. He needs to adjust his tactics and stop trying to be RDP of the forward line. His hot dog end-to end rushes are fine occasionally but they do not fit into a 5 man attack. His play away from the puck has to be activated.
He is a turnover machine but doesn't get charged with all the times he loses the puck on his over handling of it. Many times he will lose it and recover it himself, or another Islander will touch it first to rescue him. He most often loses the puck on an attempted toe drag/curl back move. Either way, give it to an opponent or just lose control to regain it, he kills plays. Until HS revises his style of play to conform to a more set 5 man attack, he will be a healthy scratch/fringe NHL player.
Ho Sang is another kettle of fish IMO. He may need "seasoning" but in a different way. While he would benefit from strength and conditioning, his main needs are learning that pro hockey in the NHL is not a solitary enterprise. He has some exceptional tools in skating ability and speed, good vision. He needs to adjust his tactics and stop trying to be RDP of the forward line. His hot dog end-to end rushes are fine occasionally but they do not fit into a 5 man attack. His play away from the puck has to be activated.
He is a turnover machine but doesn't get charged with all the times he loses the puck on his over handling of it. Many times he will lose it and recover it himself, or another Islander will touch it first to rescue him. He most often loses the puck on an attempted toe drag/curl back move. Either way, give it to an opponent or just lose control to regain it, he kills plays. Until HS revises his style of play to conform to a more set 5 man attack, he will be a healthy scratch/fringe NHL player.
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CREW99AW
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I don't call JHS a turn over machine but I do think he needs to regularly be reminded to K.I.S.S
Tries to do too much at times and gets burned for it
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If Beau ends up a 4th line grinder, that will be a huge disappointment.A waste of a 1st round pick.
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Agree it would be a disappointment. But it would not be the first time that happens. Many junior stars are first or second round scorers in junior, only to be a lower line grinder in the bigs to survive. I don't know why, there are so many examples, but Aaron Asham comes to mind. He scored 45 and 43 goals, 96 and 92 points his last two seasons with the Red Deer Rebels. That never translated, even through 789 NHL games played. I feel Beau can be a pretty good scorer and two way player, maybe a more puck skilled Zeke.
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I agree with your new third line. We are paying these guys like 3rd liners anyway. I would substitute Bernier and Gionta for Chimera and one of the others. I think we need a few new faces to help send a wake up call to the forwards.
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Suppose Beauvillier ends up being Cizikas. I'd be fine with that from a #28 overall pick. Late first round is 50/50 territory for a guy ever making the NHL, let alone being a good player.
Anyway, people have to relax and stop swaying in the wind with every up or down with the kids. They're kids and there will be ups and downs.
Anyway, people have to relax and stop swaying in the wind with every up or down with the kids. They're kids and there will be ups and downs.
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That's fine for a short term fix, but if they want to actually win a round or two they need to bring in a couple forwards.
Beau just needs size to be able to handle more of his game. His 2-way game is solid. I think he'll be a different type of Nielsen, but it's going to take time.
Look at Couturier. People thought he'd be a third line centre...now he's playing top 3. I think after the 5 year mark, you'll see what Beau can be.
Ho-Sang is a different story. His talent is high...but so was Kabanov's...JHS NEEDS size to play like he does. He needs to be stronger on his skates and stop thinking his way is better. His way might work here and there, but it's not a team effort...it's an individual effort.
Once he overcomes this perception...he'll be amazing...
Look at Couturier. People thought he'd be a third line centre...now he's playing top 3. I think after the 5 year mark, you'll see what Beau can be.
Ho-Sang is a different story. His talent is high...but so was Kabanov's...JHS NEEDS size to play like he does. He needs to be stronger on his skates and stop thinking his way is better. His way might work here and there, but it's not a team effort...it's an individual effort.
Once he overcomes this perception...he'll be amazing...
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JHS, now you see the selfish comments. Not off the ice but on the ice, despite having one assist every other game, he tries to do it all himself.
Once he learns this crazy new tactic called a give and go, he could be really effective.
Honestly though, keeping him down for a bit to learn the game better..who knows, he might come up like he did last year and be a spark later in the season/playoffs we need.
Once he learns this crazy new tactic called a give and go, he could be really effective.
Honestly though, keeping him down for a bit to learn the game better..who knows, he might come up like he did last year and be a spark later in the season/playoffs we need.
Hard to do a "give and go" when your linemates can't handle or make a pass. Yet he still produces.
Corsi over the last 10 games, small sample size but shows that JHS is not the problem in the bottom 6:
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But trading a #5 OA for a 4th line grinder whose best seasons
were with his previous club is a super great move.
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Corsi over the last 10 games, small sample size but shows that JHS is not the problem in the bottom 6:
Those stats are nice but when he's skating in circles below his own faceoff dots four times a game and gets trapped, that's on him. Also when he flees the zone super early, that's on him. Those are the bad habits that those numbers do not show.
I find he likes to start his rushes dipsy doodling arounf and when you compare to Barzal..a guy that speeds up..not funny business. Enters the zone, then stops...finds and opening large enough to look around, then distributes. JHS never seems to make it past the centre line 85% of the time.
If he can emulate or improve on Barzal's methods..he'll be top 3 in no time.
If he can emulate or improve on Barzal's methods..he'll be top 3 in no time.
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I see a thread about Ho-Sang has become a, "Yeah, but look at what Beavillier isn't doing" thread.
Beauvillier needs tons of work, but why can't so many fans hold Ho-Sang accountable for his play...? He's a mess of a player right now who's the only player on the team who feels like they should rename the team to the "New York Ho-Sangs." His giveaways are inexcusable, and he had to be sent down before the coaching staff would lose credibility if they truly want to hold players accountable.
Beauvillier needs tons of work, but why can't so many fans hold Ho-Sang accountable for his play...? He's a mess of a player right now who's the only player on the team who feels like they should rename the team to the "New York Ho-Sangs." His giveaways are inexcusable, and he had to be sent down before the coaching staff would lose credibility if they truly want to hold players accountable.
