Player Discussion Joseph freaking Woll

[Arzak]

If a highly sought UFA is offered and wants $88m and you can only offer 7 years, how do teams make that up? Most players do not pass up guaranteed money (who would?) unless there is another reason. JT's was for family reasons and wanting to play for the Leafs. He took less money to come here. Period.

That's just not how money works. Period.

$30M now, money you can invest or spend or over 4 years with 10%-15% inflation yearly is not the same amount.

Leafs money were the guaranteed deal, the signing bonus is lockout proof and once again money on day one. You don't pass on guaranteed money now from Leafs to get less over time from Islander. Why would you?

 

[ToneDog]

That's just not how money works. Period.

$30M now, money you can invest or spend or over 4 years with 10%-15% inflation yearly is not the same amount.

Leafs money were the guaranteed deal, the signing bonus is lockout proof and once again money on day one. You don't pass on guaranteed money now from Leafs to get less over time from Islander. Why would you?

Agree with getting $$ up front (although we do not seem to get a break on AAV from our guys) but no idea how much Isles offered in bonus money. I know Petro wanted that money up front and it was one of the reasons why he turned down ST. Louis for Vegas.

 

[Arzak]

Agree with getting $$ up front (although we do not seem to get a break on AAV from our guys) but no idea how much Isles offered in bonus money. I know Petro wanted that money up front and it was one of the reasons why he turned down ST. Louis for Vegas.

It always baffled me why we get no break for the contract structure. Somehow the narrative MLSE can afford it completely erases all the benefits for the player.

Sounds stupid, but I have a feeling it would be more appreciated if we couldn't afford to front-load it , yet somehow did it anyway.

 

[ToneDog]

It always baffled me why we get no break for the contract structure. Somehow the narrative MLSE can afford it completely erases all the benefits for the player.

Sounds stupid, but I have a feeling it would be more appreciated if we couldn't afford to front-load it , yet somehow did it anyway.

It does give the Leafs one advantage in that they can pay the bonus and the player is not owned much in real dollars, which makes the player more tradeable. See John Tavares July 2, 2024. LOL.

 

[Antropovsky]

Common knowledge is just a term for lack of proof

..... No, it's a kind way of saying google is easy or you're being lazy or just plain dumb.

Article by Chris Johnston, who had interviewed San Jose coach Peter Deboer:

John Tavares, Sharks face off with no regrets over how free agency unfolded

www.google.com

The Sharks rolled out their finest teal carpet while pursuing John Tavares in free agency last summer.

They were even willing to go as high as $91-million to sign No. 91, which is $2-million more per season on a seven-year deal than he ended up getting from the Toronto Maple Leafs.

 

[Arzak]

It does give the Leafs one advantage in that they can pay the bonus and the player is not owned much in real dollars, which makes the player more tradeable. See John Tavares July 2, 2024. LOL.

I have to admit I totally forgot about this advantage.
Maybe because this is mostly an advantage if you trade with Arizona-like teams.
Not likely he would wave NMC for the privilege.

 

[Racer88]

..... No, it's a kind way of saying google is easy or you're being lazy or just plain dumb.

Article by Chris Johnston, who had interviewed San Jose coach Peter Deboer:

John Tavares, Sharks face off with no regrets over how free agency unfolded

www.google.com

The Sharks rolled out their finest teal carpet while pursuing John Tavares in free agency last summer.

They were even willing to go as high as $91-million to sign No. 91, which is $2-million more per season on a seven-year deal than he ended up getting from the Toronto Maple Leafs.

Where in the article does Deboer say that they offered him 91 million. The only person I see saying that is Chris Johnston. I’m afraid I would need a direct quote from either Deboer or Tavares outlining specifics

 

[therealkoho]

But Samsonov never be a clear #1 in his carreer... always 1A/ 1B even last year until Murray get injured, he was the #2... they got #1 spot by default because with Murray body unable to follow again.

In Washington nobody never really on it between him and vanecek...

In my mind Samsonov didn't prove he was a real #1, so i just dont how much we should consider Samsonov as #1 right now

Uhh what?

 

[Antropovsky]

Where in the article does Deboer say that they offered him 91 million. The only person I see saying that is Chris Johnston. I’m afraid I would need a direct quote from either Deboer or Tavares outlining specifics

... Can't tell if you're serious.

 

[Fogelhund]

Joseph Woll. The topic here is Joseph Woll. He's played fantastic.

 

[thusk]

Uhh what?

Samsonov played in a tandem all his carreer and share the load 50/50,

Last season until January, Murray was leafs #1. He get injured again and his game drop after he missed some time and Samsonov step up and took #1 lead.... when leafs was already almost aure to play against tampa and had absolutly 0 pressure...and when pressure raised in playoff, he failed to deliver.

So he had been #1 in Toronto for like what 3 month in his carreer? Can we consider Samsonov like a true #1

 

[Racer88]

... Can't tell if you're serious.

In my world unless I see it in writing or direct quotes it just speculation

 

[Antropovsky]

In my world unless I see it in writing or direct quotes it just speculation

Lol... It's called reporter ethics. Johnston would have no credibility and San Jose could probably very easily have him fired if he reported on a contract number that was incorrect; especially in an article where members of their management are interviewed. Johnston didn't say he heard through sources... He said "they were even willing to go as high...". That's a definitive statement from the source. And the article includes interviews with San Joses coach.

This is as direct as it gets lol.

 

[Leaf Lander]

JoWo

Is playing awesome

And imo he is the next great goalie for the leafs

 

[HellasLEAF]

Keefe definitely likes him.

 

[therealkoho]

Samsonov played in a tandem all his carreer and share the load 50/50,

Last season until January, Murray was leafs #1. He get injured again and his game drop after he missed some time and Samsonov step up and took #1 lead.... when leafs was already almost aure to play against tampa and had absolutly 0 pressure...and when pressure raised in playoff, he failed to deliver.

So he had been #1 in Toronto for like what 3 month in his carreer? Can we consider Samsonov like a true #1

Was talking about something else and not Sammy in the Joe Woll thread....I'm a rebel, I know, but it is what it could be but probably wasn't or never were

As to you're query, I like Sammy he seems like a good kid, he has some real skill, but something is currently wrong and whether physical or mental who knows? Hopefully it's physical so it can heal or be fixed.

 

[keonsbitterness]

Isles offerred an 8th year. An additional 11m.

It was also reported the Isles put in a late offer of $11.25m.

 

[TheBeastCoast]

In my world unless I see it in writing or direct quotes it just speculation

Well you did just see it in writing.

 

[ThrowDemTongs]

The kid is alright

 

[thusk]

Was talking about something else and not Sammy in the Joe Woll thread....I'm a rebel, I know, but it is what it could be but probably wasn't or never were

As to you're query, I like Sammy he seems like a good kid, he has some real skill, but something is currently wrong and whether physical or mental who knows? Hopefully it's physical so it can heal or be fixed.

I think samsonov is mental issue...

And i just talked about why for me to door is all open for Woll to take #1 spot, why i talked about Samsonov

 

[Cecithepylon]

If Woll isn’t the starter I don’t know how one becomes one..

 

[ACC1224]

If Woll isn’t the starter I don’t know how one becomes one..

I think the plan all along was to have a solid platoon. I don’t think they are shocked he’s playing well, they expected it.

 

[Cecithepylon]

if sam can get going we look very very good. The opposite of a goalie controversy. A Jennings trophy

 

[Jimmy Firecracker]

 

[Phion Keneuf]

You can just tell he’s going to be good by his style of play. I’ve never seen a goalie so calm in a Leafs sweater. Positionally aware and able to make acrobatic saves.