Rumor: Jordan Spence being shopped

[Richard88]

The Avs are a team that likes this type of Dman, and don't mind loading up with them at least for the regular season.

Last year for instance they added Kylington and Brannstrom to a D group that already had Makar, Girard, and Malinski.

Manson has also only been available for about 60% of games the last few seasons so there would be plenty of opportunity on the right even with Makar and Malinski there.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

To think a few LA fans tried to claim Spence is superior to Carlo...

 

[apadilla]

If Carlo could play in the Defensive zone 100% of the time, he'd be a cherished defenseman. But offensive skills are required, of which he is sorely lacking. As for Spence, he is great at transition and passing, but more so so or less at everything else. If one could mesh their skills, you'd have a pretty dang good defensement. Sadly for Spence, you can't teach Size, and for Carlo, you can't teach Offense.

 

[bernmeister]

Ks have a dearth of RD, not a surplus
there is a risk of Doughty going bust overnight due to age/cumulative wear and tear

Ks should not trade
and indeed, should be looking to add so Doughty can be seamlessly moved out properly w/respect, but before he falls off a cliff

 

[KingsHockey24]

The Avs are a team that likes this type of Dman, and don't mind loading up with them at least for the regular season.

Last year for instance they added Kylington and Brannstrom to a D group that already had Makar, Girard, and Malinski.

Manson has also only been available for about 60% of games the last few seasons so there would be plenty of opportunity on the right even with Makar and Malinski there.

You need cap space huh...


- Jordan Spence
- Liam Greentree


- Valeri Nichushkin

 

[Guitpik]

You need cap space huh...


- Jordan Spence
- Liam Greentree


- Valeri Nichushkin

Kings aren’t trading Greentree. He’ll be part of the younger core.

With Gavrikov most likely going to UFA, I’d be interested to see if Spence can play on his off side. Kings will need to fill that hole. Someone shared on another site where his defensive metrics were decent.

 

[FSL KINGS]

Ks have a dearth of RD, not a surplus
there is a risk of Doughty going bust overnight due to age/cumulative wear and tear

Ks should not trade
and indeed, should be looking to add so Doughty can be seamlessly moved out properly w/respect, but before he falls off a cliff

Doughty's a rolled ankle from hanging out in Greener's garage, crushing Natty Lights & playing guitar hero.

The King's are looking to upgrade the right side, which is why they'd be shopping Spence. Only three spots on the left. Have to move one out.

 

[bernmeister]

Doughty's a rolled ankle from hanging out in Greener's garage, crushing Natty Lights & playing guitar hero.

The King's are looking to upgrade the right side, which is why they'd be shopping Spence. Only three spots on the left. Have to move one out.

concur on da bold
pls show me the math on the underline

If DD is buh bye
you have Clarke
what other RD do you have?
Of note/upside?

 

[FSL KINGS]

concur on da bold
pls show me the math on the underline

If DD is buh bye
you have Clarke
what other RD do you have?
Of note/upside?

King's need to obtain a RD from out of the organization to fix the balance of the right side. When they add another D, does it make sense to have Spence sitting out as the extra D?

 

[bernmeister]

King's need to obtain a RD from out of the organization to fix the balance of the right side. When they add another D, does it make sense to have Spence sitting out as the extra D?

again, pls list the LD and RD you have/project
we understand DD is phasing out
we get some others are stopgaps
what's left?
do you have surplus RD that you can afford to deal one?
I'm not seeing it but I could be wrong, I could have missed something

 

[Unbiased Fan]

Just offer sheet Knies

I think that’d be in the 4 1sts range. Marner gone and Tavares back at 700k (Spezza/gio) the leafs will have 30milion in cap space.

 

[FSL KINGS]

again, pls list the LD and RD you have/project
we understand DD is phasing out
we get some others are stopgaps
what's left?
do you have surplus RD that you can afford to deal one?
I'm not seeing it but I could be wrong, I could have missed something

King's don't currently have a D to replace Spence or fill the hole they need to fill. Spence doesn't fill the problem the King's have on the back end either.

The King's will need to bring in a D from the outside. Spence will be expendable once a D is brought in.

The last GM thought Doughty, Clarke, Spence down the right was a good way to start the season. That didn't go well. Doubt an experienced GM makes that mistake.

 

[YP44]

Just offer sheet Knies

they will be able to match, and does not sound like knies is open to signing offer sheet at this point. Would have to really over pay to get him interested, and then would have to pony up the draft capital to the leafs. Does not make sense to me.

 

[YP44]

To think a few LA fans tried to claim Spence is superior to Carlo...

I would rather have Spence than Carlo still. Just because LA is making Spence available does not change that for me.

 

[FSL KINGS]

they will be able to match, and does not sound like knies is open to signing offer sheet at this point. Would have to really over pay to get him interested, and then would have to pony up the draft capital to the leafs. Does not make sense to me.

King's have a lot of cap coming off the books in the near future & could easily make an offer that would be uncomfortable for TO to match, even if they have the space. Is Knies at 10 better than Marner at 13? Toronto can match that if they want.

 

[bernmeister]

King's don't currently have a D to replace Spence or fill the hole they need to fill. Spence doesn't fill the problem the King's have on the back end either.

The King's will need to bring in a D from the outside. Spence will be expendable once a D is brought in.

The last GM thought Doughty, Clarke, Spence down the right was a good way to start the season. That didn't go well. Doubt an experienced GM makes that mistake.

So Spence is not legit/legit 'nuf is what you are saying?

Ok, good to know that's news to me.

So if Oil lose and there is a big deal and Bouchard comes back, would you do something around
Bouch + Schneider + KAM + Borgen as a core
for
Byfield, Helenius, Spence + Dvorak ?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

To think a few LA fans tried to claim Spence is superior to Carlo...

You know, that entire thread is an absolute trainwreck but

It was part of a trade package so it wasn't even a spence > carlo thing and

Your thorough evaluation of spence was "hes played 12 minutes a game the last 4 games, do not want"

Spence, the 24 year old 5'10 defenseman who averages 12 minutes per game the last 4 games?

That is many tiers below Carlo.... dreadful value.

So glass houses, etc. on player evaluations

Can we at least stop pretending people are keeping close tabs on LA's 3rd pairing RHD?

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

And also, as it's become relevant to prove that Spence is excellent in his role

 

[johnjm22]

Kings aren’t trading Greentree. He’ll be part of the younger core.

LA would absolutely trade Greentree. They're trying to win now.

 

[FSL KINGS]

So Spence is not legit/legit 'nuf is what you are saying?

Ok, good to know that's news to me.

So if Oil lose and there is a big deal and Bouchard comes back, would you do something around
Bouch + Schneider + KAM + Borgen as a core
for
Byfield, Helenius, Spence + Dvorak ?

Spence is a fine defenseman, he may improve. Currently him & Clarke fill the same role & King's need a different mix.

Byfield is the King's only center of note under 30. Don't think they're looking to move him.

 

[bossram]

I mean, the Kings should probably just keep him. They don't have much else on the right side.

But a team like DAL should absolutely be interested. They need any kind of legitimate NHLer on the right side of their blueline, and one that can actually pass the puck is a nice bonus. Spence would also be a cheap, again a plus.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

I mean, the Kings should probably just keep him. They don't have much else on the right side.

But a team like DAL should absolutely be interested. They need any kind of legitimate NHLer on the right side of their blueline, and one that can actually pass the puck is a nice bonus. Spence would also be a cheap, again a plus.

Bit of a challenging spot for LA if they DO indeed want to move Spence as he's probably not super valuable unless some team relatively 'overpays' for him. The opportunity cost is stupid, they'd need to replace him anyway. But more than anything he's an immensely effective guy relative to his role worth more to LA, it's just baffling management. The guys they're alleged to want to get rid of on the blue line have been their most effective even in redundancy, like why not move the other obvious dead weight that's creating the redundancy?

 

[YP44]

King's have a lot of cap coming off the books in the near future & could easily make an offer that would be uncomfortable for TO to match, even if they have the space. Is Knies at 10 better than Marner at 13? Toronto can match that if they want.

I would rather have Marner at 13 then Knies at 10 given offer sheeting knies at ten woudl cost multiple firt round picks. Knies has looked really really good, but it is one year. Marner has done it for 5 and, IMO, take a the brunt of bull shit about him "disappearing" in playoffs.

 

[YP44]

I mean, the Kings should probably just keep him. They don't have much else on the right side.

But a team like DAL should absolutely be interested. They need any kind of legitimate NHLer on the right side of their blueline, and one that can actually pass the puck is a nice bonus. Spence would also be a cheap, again a plus.

Assuming you're a devils fan. Your blue line is crazy deep. Any chance the Devils shop Siegenthaler to free up some space. Not sure what New Jersey would be looking for, but if/when Gavrikov walks he could be a good target for LA.

 

[Gaylord Q Tinkledink]

I think that’d be in the 4 1sts range. Marner gone and Tavares back at 700k (Spezza/gio) the leafs will have 30milion in cap space.

Tavares isn't getting 700k, or whatever league minimum is.