CherryToke
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I dont understand why AV wouldnt go back to the lineup that got them the winning record.. He's so stupid.
Not necessarily true. Hodgson's AHL numbers were mediocre as well.
The talent is there, the production isn't. But the opportunity was very limited and he was misused on the PP and bounced around the lineup, finally settling in with Weise and Sestito.
What happened was Kesler came back and AV broke up the Ray-JS-Hansen line to better accommodate Kesler. As a result he fixed something that wasn't broken and ruined that 3rd line, didnt make Kesler anymore productive in ES minutes as a result, and disrupted the development of Schroeder who was adjusting nicely while Vancouver was winning games. What puzzled me most is that AV never went back to that 3rd line. After Kesler got hurt you'd think since that opened up another center spot that would potentially give Schroeder a promotion, instead the next game he gets a demotion and a natural winger gets thrown in his center spot? Talk about a mind-f@&#.
Comparing to Hodgson then at AHL level:
Jordan Schroeder - 0.56 points per game
Cody Hodgson - 0.69 points per game
Cody Hodgson AHL season at 22 yrs old, point per game player.
Jordan Schroeder AHL season at 22 yrs old, 19 pts in 30 games.
Then you take into consideration the lack of size and Schroeder should be producing at a higher clip to show real NHL potential.
Pretty sure your numbers are off, at 22, Cody had .57 ppg with the moose, (30 points in 52 games). It was not until this season playing for a team that is much higher in scoring, that his ppg increased. For comparable, Kassian was at a ppg playing for the same farm team, then produced at a much slower pace playing for the Wolves.
I dont understand why AV wouldnt go back to the lineup that got them the winning record.. He's so stupid.
Hodgson turned 22 February 2012, so part of last season, most of this season, where he posted 19pts in 19 games for Rochester.
I keep seeing this idea bandied about...But what people aren't considering, is that you can't just revert to previous state and 'success mode', because the situation around the league has changed. When we were 'winning' with that lineup, it was fresh off the lockout and the rest of the league was also struggling to find chemistry, shake off the rust, learn systems, etc. The level of competition was closer to preseason hockey than real NHL regular season levels. Combine that with the way Schroeder's own intensity dropped off of late, and it's just not a realistic scenario.
So while it might not have hurt to try that lineup again...it's doubtful it would've worked like a lot of people are assuming.
Schroeder scored more goals this season (even accounting for the number of games). Considering how much higher scoring team Rochester is and considering they play run and gun, it shouldn't surprise anyone that there was a difference. It wasn't as big as some here are implying though.
There are plenty of undersized centers in the AHL who post point-per-game numbers and still cannot crack a NHL line-up.
The fact Schroeder's offensive numbers really haven't blossomed at the AHL level is concerning, he is in his third pro year now. Maybe he goes back to Chicago and has something to work towards now that he has had a taste.
Given AV's comments before the Wild game, I had the impression that Schroeder would have been sent down Saturday had they not been playing in his home state Sunday. AV was hoping that playing there would spark him, but he continued to struggle. I wasn't surprised by this move at all.
He got 21 shots on net in 22 games. His shooting pct, 9.5%, was fine, he just needed to generate more shots. He was 44% in the faceoff dot, 100 wins, 127 losses. If he could get his faceoff pct above 50%, he would probably be getting that extra shot per game that he needs to get his offensive numbers up and to justify sticking around.
I don't recall offhand who the Sedins were playing with at first but I can imagine that Daniel Henrik ______ was a far better line than Weise Schroeder Sestito.
Schroeder averaged 13:23 minutes per game, including almost 3 minutes of PP time as a 22 year-old rookie and failed to get .25 PPG. Those minutes compare favorably with what Sedins were given at 19. They got near .5 PPG, but, more importantly, from the outset they either generated legit scoring chances or spent a lot of time in the opposition zone.
I view generating scoring chances, apart from actually scoring, as the most important indicator of a future would be scorer's potential. Even now, despite his long slump, Kassian is generating a good chance or two per game but I can't say the same about Schroeder.
He's gotten his shot. It wasn't perfect. I, too, can't comprehend using him on the point since he either doesn't have a good slap shot or is unwilling to use it, and, of course, he could have had better line-mates and more time to gel with them. But he wasn't set up to fail either. Just wasn't creating any chances.
He's got a lot of work to do if he wants to stick around longer next time.
Schroeder averaged 13:23 minutes per game, including almost 3 minutes of PP time as a 22 year-old rookie and failed to get .25 PPG. Those minutes compare favorably with what Sedins were given at 19. They got near .5 PPG, but, more importantly, from the outset they either generated legit scoring chances or spent a lot of time in the opposition zone.
I view generating scoring chances, apart from actually scoring, as the most important indicator of a future would be scorer's potential. Even now, despite his long slump, Kassian is generating a good chance or two per game but I can't say the same about Schroeder.
He's gotten his shot. It wasn't perfect. I, too, can't comprehend using him on the point since he either doesn't have a good slap shot or is unwilling to use it, and, of course, he could have had better line-mates and more time to gel with them. But he wasn't set up to fail either. Just wasn't creating any chances.
He's got a lot of work to do if he wants to stick around longer next time.
Hodgson turned 22 February 2012, so part of last season, most of this season, where he posted 19pts in 19 games for Rochester.
it might not hurt is damn right. if you losing games try changes something. yet AV never tried it so we will never know. I mean he just keep going with the same line up with only changes from lappy 2nd/3rd centre.I keep seeing this idea bandied about...But what people aren't considering, is that you can't just revert to previous state and 'success mode', because the situation around the league has changed. When we were 'winning' with that lineup, it was fresh off the lockout and the rest of the league was also struggling to find chemistry, shake off the rust, learn systems, etc. The level of competition was closer to preseason hockey than real NHL regular season levels. Combine that with the way Schroeder's own intensity dropped off of late, and it's just not a realistic scenario.
So while it might not have hurt to try that lineup again...it's doubtful it would've worked like a lot of people are assuming.