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I still think Binnington is overrated. But his value sure did increase. But Edmonton should be the team trading for him as Hofer could take over as the Blues' starter quite soon.
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Binnington on the Oilers last year would have won them the Cup. Full stop.
That alone is worth the price you pay.
That alone is worth the price you pay.
With the rumors of moving Binner, as well as the rumors of Schenn or Parayko potentially to the Leafs.
Would Woll (grew up a Blues fan) be of interest and what is his value to St Louis in a package for one of the players I mentioned.
Would Woll (grew up a Blues fan) be of interest and what is his value to St Louis in a package for one of the players I mentioned.
bleedblue1223
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I think it's more likely that we bring Ellis up than us targeting a goalie in a return. Taking on a goalie cap dump, ideally an expiring one is fine, but I don't think we'd target a goalie that holds any significant value. Ellis really turned a corner last season, and has continued that form this season.
I suppose maybe we would value him and want a Hofer/Woll tandem, or maybe we do what Buffalo did with Halak when we traded for Miller and just immediately flip him in another trade.
Blues don't retain salary unless it is an expiring contract this year. Need a 3rd team to take money then.
Ducks have two retention spots remaining, which I discovered when looking into Gibson.
Flames didn't either, until they traded Markstrom, then they did. Something not happening in the past doesn't mean it will never happen. If the Blues get enough back to make retaining worth it, they will. By retaining 31.25% for 2 years the Flames were able to get Kevin Bahl in the Markstrom deal.
You must be so furious at how much Binnington owns the TD Garden.
Eh, I get what you’re saying but that’s not a fair comparison to Lou. He was always known as a premiere goaltender unlike Binnington
BleedBlue14
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What rumors are there on Parayko?
Short answer no, the only reason it makes sense to move Binner is Hofer is starting to get to the point where we should see what we have in him as a starter, and Ellis is closing in on a spot where he'll probably get an NHL opportunity. Not to mention our team isn't really performing any differently as of late.
The reason we would trade Binner is the reason why I don't see the Blues entertaining moving Parayko unless there's a piece there that could jump in next year in a significant role. Leafs don't really have that.
Oddbob
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There was a slight rumour about 2-3 months ago that the Blues might move him, but I don't think it was a super well known source. I remember reading it here in the trade section then.
How about 1st Round Pick 2026, 2nd Round Pick, Adam Henrique, Noah Philp & Stuart Skinner to St. Louis for Binnington & Oskar Sundqvist (large right-shot centre)?
Petes2424
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One game, as big as it was, shouldn’t be changing so many minds on a goaltender. We all know he can pull those games out of nowhere. It’s all the in-between stuff during long seasons that should make sane people worry.
If you’re Edmonton though, and he’s your goalie, and you understand the ups and downs you’re gonna see from him, is he still a better option than what they have?
That answer is probably HELL YES.
So if they can somehow make it happen, I think they have to. Knowing full well, he may crash and burn this playoff, but in 2026 they may ride him to a Cup…. Or the opposite .
He’s exactly why we should all just ignore goaltenders. Never try figuring them out. I billeted with one for 2 years, who I still talk to now, and he’s still the strangest human being I’ve ever encountered. The next 3 are also former goalies.
The billet family sat me down once, asking if he had suffered brain damage and if the team was trying to hide it, just so he could keep playing?? They were dead serious too
All because he did so many weird things, like staring at walls, counting the corners over and over again. Nobody knew what OCD was back then. They actually stopped being a billet family after us, because of him. We tried visiting them at a 20 yr thing, and they didn’t let us in the house, but whispered to me as we were leaving, they’d love for me to come back some other time. Without him.
After being drafted and not getting a second contract, he did the Europe circuit for about 10 years living out of a camper, where he married a Russian living in Sweden who couldn’t speak English. there we’re no phones to translate. Then he randomly left her there when he went to play in Germany and honestly thought it wasn’t that big of a deal. She left for work one day and he left for Germany in the camper, never telling her. He’s never seen or heard from her since. After the internet got big and social media started to take off, his current wife tried finding her once but he couldn’t exactly remember her Russian surname. So he has no clue if he’s technically married in Sweden or not
He’s the nicest guy you’d ever meet too. Just oblivious to the world around him and how normal people go about things.
So Goalies truly are on their own planet, and from everything we’ve heard, Binnington is the craziest of them all. So if you want the good, you accept the bad. That’s just the way it is.
If you’re Edmonton though, and he’s your goalie, and you understand the ups and downs you’re gonna see from him, is he still a better option than what they have?
That answer is probably HELL YES.
So if they can somehow make it happen, I think they have to. Knowing full well, he may crash and burn this playoff, but in 2026 they may ride him to a Cup…. Or the opposite .
He’s exactly why we should all just ignore goaltenders. Never try figuring them out. I billeted with one for 2 years, who I still talk to now, and he’s still the strangest human being I’ve ever encountered. The next 3 are also former goalies.
The billet family sat me down once, asking if he had suffered brain damage and if the team was trying to hide it, just so he could keep playing?? They were dead serious too
All because he did so many weird things, like staring at walls, counting the corners over and over again. Nobody knew what OCD was back then. They actually stopped being a billet family after us, because of him. We tried visiting them at a 20 yr thing, and they didn’t let us in the house, but whispered to me as we were leaving, they’d love for me to come back some other time. Without him. After being drafted and not getting a second contract, he did the Europe circuit for about 10 years living out of a camper, where he married a Russian living in Sweden who couldn’t speak English.
there we’re no phones to translate. Then he randomly left her there when he went to play in Germany and honestly thought it wasn’t that big of a deal. She left for work one day and he left for Germany in the camper, never telling her. He’s never seen or heard from her since. After the internet got big and social media started to take off, his current wife tried finding her once but he couldn’t exactly remember her Russian surname. So he has no clue if he’s technically married in Sweden or not He’s the nicest guy you’d ever meet too. Just oblivious to the world around him and how normal people go about things.
So Goalies truly are on their own planet, and from everything we’ve heard, Binnington is the craziest of them all. So if you want the good, you accept the bad. That’s just the way it is.
grab him edmonton only chance at going far to the finals again. skinner is unreliable.
SherVaughn30
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Who says I'm wrong?! Other than that phenomenal rookie season from Binnington, he's not shown to be consistent enough being a big money #1 goalie on the same level as Gibson/Markstrom. Plus at times Binnington acts immature when things don't go exactly his way. Despite Binnington's one playoff season with the Blues Cup winning run, in order I would take Gibson, then Markstrom over Binnington. Just showing up in the playoffs or for some playoff runs, doesn't make you a good goalie. Adin Hill and Matt Murray both fit that category. Regular season both goalies in their career have been okay, but both had very good playoff runs.
Reality Czech
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Just curious how closely you follow the Blues or if you're just a stat watcher like most people in this thread? Binnington has been good a lot more than the 2019 postseason.
This issue with a trade like this from an Oilers perspective:
Trading Adam Henrique, while I feel is necessary, is a bad look for the organization. So it probably won't happen unless he wants to leave.
Noah Philp is a player the team still believes in and will fill the role of 4C soon enough. Also, he is on an entry level contract, and the team can't get enough of those in the line up.
Oskar Sundqvist always seems hurt to me. I don't think the guy has ever played a full season in the NHL and he's like.. 30.
Just something to consider.
Good point about Sundqvist, but he's a huge right shot centre at a very low cap hit. He's almost exactly what the team is looking for...aside from the injury issues. He might be worth the gamble.
Ford Prefect
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He had a VERY good D in front of him. He was great in 1 of those 4 games. A whole lotta meh in the other three.
BleedBlue14
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All of the bolded is untrue. Markstrom and Gibson both have had serious consistency issues.
If by acting immature you mean standing up for himself when he's run etc. sure, that hasn't been an issue in the last 2-3 years though.
What Binnington has done that neither of those players have done is prove that he is a winner. Do you know what teams that are looking to add a goalie right now are wanting to do? Win championships.
Sundqvist is just terribly slow now. Great versatile depth piece. Wouldn't expect any scoring from him although he's for some reason on our PP1 continually.
Shit. The slow part about Sundqvist might be a dealbreaker, but the Oilers have been looking for a big right-shot centre and tried Noah Philp...he didn't quite fill the need.
Also, @TF_Hockey I just read somewhere that Henrique is +6 goals for, so it would be nice to keep him...but Philp's ceiling is bottom six so I think he could be moved to make room for Sundqvist?
Binnington is my first choice now after saving Canada in the Four Nations. The dude is beyond clutch, and him coming to Edmonton would give me Mike Vernon in Detroit vibes. He also has a better GSAx than Skinner or Pickard while playing behind a worse defense. I would love to see him swapped for Skinner, and maybe the Oil could even add James Reimer for peanuts to be an actual backup.
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GSAx & GSAx per 60 (minimum 30 Games):
Skinner - 27th out of 30 goalies
Binnington - 21st
Skinner has 14 games below an objectively bad .870 save percentage, for a total of 37% of his games. He's been under .800 for five games.
Binner has had 11 games below an objectively bad .870 save percentage (I included and rounded down one .871 performance), for a total of 28% of his games. He's been under .800 for four games.
Gibson's numbers do look better than Binnington's (and leagues better than Skinner's), but that's based on 24 games played. Binnington has played even more games than Skinner behind a much worse defense.
The big thing here is we know Binnington is clutch. Skinner collapsed against Vegas in 2023, Vancouver last year, and the first three games of the Stanley Cup Finals (especially Game 3...with an .826 for Stu when the Oilers only lost by one goal).
Skinner - 27th out of 30 goalies
Binnington - 21st
Skinner has 14 games below an objectively bad .870 save percentage, for a total of 37% of his games. He's been under .800 for five games.
Binner has had 11 games below an objectively bad .870 save percentage (I included and rounded down one .871 performance), for a total of 28% of his games. He's been under .800 for four games.
Gibson's numbers do look better than Binnington's (and leagues better than Skinner's), but that's based on 24 games played. Binnington has played even more games than Skinner behind a much worse defense.
The big thing here is we know Binnington is clutch. Skinner collapsed against Vegas in 2023, Vancouver last year, and the first three games of the Stanley Cup Finals (especially Game 3...with an .826 for Stu when the Oilers only lost by one goal).
westc2
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I'd say he's absolutely a step above those guys since he's won a cup without a star-studded roster carrying him.
And yes there are people who simply hate Binnington for some reason. They will cherry pick any sort of stat that makes him look bad and they will join any thread that mentions Binnington to comment how "bad" he is.
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