Value of: Jordan Binnington

[Reality Czech]

The stats were so horrifying I stopped at that point.

Indeed. That is a negative value contract.

Clearly you don't know what you're talking about. When will people learn you can't judge goalies solely on their numbers, especially when they're playing on bad teams.

 

[nbwingsfan]

1st and a B tier prospect.
Although StL would prefer a bluechip instead of more picks, just dont see him returning that.

A goalie who’s performed as poorly as he has the last 3 of the last 4 seasons is absolutely not going to get a 1st and a B prospect.

One really good period isn’t changing that.

Clearly you don't know what you're talking about. When will people learn you can't judge goalies solely on their numbers, especially when they're playing on bad teams.

He’s lost his starting gig before, his backups have performed better than him and STL has been far from a bottom feeder.

He was also pretty poor for Canada until the last game

 

[Djp]

I was wondering what his value looks like across the league his value as a big game goalie seems to be proven once again but his regular season stats from the outside seem mediocre.

Currently Binnington has played 39 games with a 15-19-4 record with a 2.89 GAA and a .897 SV%, He also has a significant contract.

Jordan Binnington is signed to a 6 year, $36,000,000 contract with a cap hit of $6,000,000 per season, currently playing for the St. Louis Blues. His contract was signed on March 11, 2021, and expires at the end of the 2026-27 season, when Binnington will be 33 years old (copied off of Puckpedia).

So 3 years left at 6 million a year, so what do you think his value is especially considering his stellar performance in defense. of the biggest games this decade?

He plays well when he has very good defense

Who is a final4 club in need of a goalie the next 3 years?? Carolina?

 

[sfvega]

The stats were so horrifying I stopped at that point.

Indeed. That is a negative value contract.

Weren't you just talking shit on him in 4 Nations? How'd that go for you btw?

 

[Oddbob]

The guys not a miracle. He can't take buffalo and win the Stanley cup, but in he big games he will help a team win.

Will he? He let a good amount of soft goals in for Canada. If they didn't outscore his softies they lose.

 

[bleedblue1223]

Will he? He let a good amount of soft goals in for Canada. If they didn't outscore his softies they lose.

He really didn't, and he kept Canada in the final game.

 

[nbwingsfan]

He really didn't, and he kept Canada in the final game.

Yes he had one good game. He was questioned if he was going to be pulled for Hill after every single game before that.

Hes had brutal season 3 of the last 4 and had a very bad tournament before that last game

 

[bleedblue1223]

Yes he had one good game. He was questioned if he was going to be pulled for Hill after every single game before that.

Hes had brutal season 3 of the last 4 and had a very bad tournament before that last game

It's just not true. He's the Finland game and first USA game where he had lower goals against than expected goals against.

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/game.php?season=20242025&game=90005

https://www.naturalstattrick.com/game.php?season=20242025&game=90004&view=limited

 

[Lunatik]

So much hyperbole from both the haters and homers.

Binnington is a middle of the pack starter, he not bad and he's not elite. He's in teh same group as Markstrom, Gibson... etc

 

[Ainsy01]

way, way, way higher than it was 2 weeks ago.

I wish I had bought Binnington stock after the first 3 games of the 4nations, id be retired.

 

[bleedblue1223]

So much hyperbole from both the haters and homers.

Binnington is a middle of the pack starter, he not bad and he's not elite. He's in teh same group as Markstrom, Gibson... etc

Right. He's a solid enough starter that he has year to year inconsistency like most goalies in that tier, but when he's locked in, he's very, very good. Teams are buying him for what he did in 4 Nations finals, 2019 run, and 2022 playoffs. Now with the cap increasing, paying a goalie $6M really isn't a big deal.

 

[Lunatik]

Right. He's a solid enough starter that he has year to year inconsistency like most goalies in that tier, but when he's locked in, he's very, very good. Teams are buying him for what he did in 4 Nations finals, 2019 run, and 2022 playoffs. Now with the cap increasing, paying a goalie $6M really isn't a big deal.

Agreed. My guess is he ends up in Vegas if they can't re-sign Hill

 

[Crow]

1st and a B tier prospect.
Although StL would prefer a bluechip instead of more picks, just dont see him returning that.

You’d be lucky to get a b tier prospect. No way he nets a first.

Man the recency bias here is ridiculous at times.

People were lamenting him starting that game. He had a good game luckily for Canada. He is a bottom tier starter. 6x3 isn’t bad though.

Maybe, if you are lucky he could fetch a 2nd. Doubt it though.

 

[SherVaughn30]

Not a chance. What team do you think would give up a 1st for Binner?

A good comp for a trade is when Arizona traded Dubnyk to Minnesota. 3rd rounder

That 1st is maybe warranted if the Blues retain 50% of Binnington's cap hit. Other wise a 3rd, maybe a goalie and a player with a high enough cap hit to reduce Binnington's cap hit.

 

[SherVaughn30]

So much hyperbole from both the haters and homers.

Binnington is a middle of the pack starter, he not bad and he's not elite. He's in teh same group as Markstrom, Gibson... etc

Strongly disagree!

 

[bleedblue1223]

He was a top 5 starter last season, even if you want to say he's inconsisent, he's not as bad as many of you say.

 

[BleedBlue14]

That 1st is maybe warranted if the Blues retain 50% of Binnington's cap hit. Other wise a 3rd, maybe a goalie and a player with a high enough cap hit to reduce Binnington's cap hit.

Weren't we having this same conversation about Markstrom last year?

I think most are expecting a return similar to what Markstrom brought back - who also had consistency issues, but what he doesn't have is a track record of showing up in the playoffs/big games.

 

[Blueswin]

Will he? He let a good amount of soft goals in for Canada. If they didn't outscore his softies they lose.

When Canada scored 1 goal against the USA they really bailed the goalie out by putting lots of goals in didn't they?

 

[Lunatik]

Strongly disagree!

Being wrong is your prerogative

 

[Oddbob]

He really didn't, and he kept Canada in the final game.

He really did. First 2 goals should have been stopped in the first loss to the US, then he let in another 3 goals in 6 minutes late against Finland that almost blew a 4-0 lead, and none of them was unstoppable. Canada could have won that with any of the 3 goalies.

He was a top 5 starter last season, even if you want to say he's inconsisent, he's not as bad as many of you say.

What about the 3 seasons around last season? 3 of 4 is consistent in a bad way.

 

[Hazy Little Thing]

He really did. First 2 goals should have been stopped in the first loss to the US, then he let in another 3 goals in 6 minutes late against Finland that almost blew a 4-0 lead, and none of them was unstoppable. Canada could have won that with any of the 3 goalies.



What about the 3 seasons around last season? 3 of 4 is consistent in a bad way.

Blues fans love to cherry pick small sample sizes of stats to tell us how good Binnington is (while trying to offload him)

 

[Oddbob]

When Canada scored 1 goal against the USA they really bailed the goalie out by putting lots of goals in didn't they?

If he stopped both shots like he should have, they win 1-0. Both goals were bad and I say the same thing when Wings goalies let shots like those in. The reality is, Binnington had a great start to his career and won the Cup and has been living off that reputation since then. 3 of the last 4 seasons he has been .901 or below. Stl is not that bad of a team for that be good numbers. If he had a .901 on SJ or ANA or CHI that is one thing, but not on the Blues.

While true that most NHL goalies are super inconsistent, Binnington is not a tier ahead of any of the mid tier goalies in the super inconsistent category and definitely not worth a 1st rnd pick.

 

[bleedblue1223]

He really did. First 2 goals should have been stopped in the first loss to the US, then he let in another 3 goals in 6 minutes late against Finland that almost blew a 4-0 lead, and none of them was unstoppable. Canada could have won that with any of the 3 goalies.



What about the 3 seasons around last season? 3 of 4 is consistent in a bad way.

Against Finland, during 5v5 he had 2.13 expected goals against and allowed 1, during all situations it was 3.49 expected and 3 goals against. He performed better than expected.

In the USA loss, during 5v5 it was 1.38 expected against with 2 allowed, but during PK he had 4 high danger saves, with all situations of 2.52 expected against and 2 goals allowed. Again, he performed better than expected.

Blues fans love to cherry pick small sample sizes of stats to tell us how good Binnington is (while trying to offload him)

No, Blues fans in general don't want him traded, and those that do would move him so that we don't have a situation like last season where we draft Jiricek, instead of guys like Buium or Dickinson. Just how right now we are hovering around the 7th or 8th pick, I expect us to get something like the 12th pick when it's all said and done. The other reason right now is that some want to make sure Colten Ellis gets a shot, so that we don't lose him like we did Ben Bishop.

 

[Oddbob]

Against Finland, during 5v5 he had 2.13 expected goals against and allowed 1, during all situations it was 3.49 expected and 3 goals against. He performed better than expected.

In the USA loss, during 5v5 it was 1.38 expected against with 2 allowed, but during PK he had 4 high danger saves, with all situations of 2.52 expected against and 2 goals allowed. Again, he performed better than expected.


No, Blues fans in general don't want him traded, and those that do would move him so that we don't have a situation like last season where we draft Jiricek, instead of guys like Buium or Dickinson. Just how right now we are hovering around the 7th or 8th pick, I expect us to get something like the 12th pick when it's all said and done.

Those extra stats are legit meaningless. He faced an ordinary amount of shots that NHL goalies should stop and he let 3 in against Finland in 6 minutes late in a game which is the sign of a panicking goalie as none of them were tough stops. He also let in 2 weak goals as I said against the US in the first game.

Canada would have won with Hill or Montembault or whatever other goalie they chose to play.

 

[HighNote]

Those extra stats are legit meaningless. He faced an ordinary amount of shots that NHL goalies should stop and he let 3 in against Finland in 6 minutes late in a game which is the sign of a panicking goalie as none of them were tough stops. He also let in 2 weak goals as I said against the US in the first game.

Canada would have won with Hill or Montembault or whatever other goalie they chose to play.

Yeah, because those ordinary amount of shots that an NHL goalie should stop were definitely taken by ordinary NHL players and not a collection of some of the best players in the world.

And I absolutely disagree on none of those 3 Finland goals being tough stops. MAYBE the Lindell goal, but that was still a world-class shot, perfectly placed. But both Granlund goals were from the slot. Any time there's a pass to the slot for a quick shot like both of his goals were, it is not an easy stop for any goalie. Those are very high-danger chances, and with world-class players on the ice.

As far as the first game against USA goes, sure the first goal was weak, but the 2nd goal was a 2 on 1? That's a high danger chance. He still only gave up 2 goals in that game, that's on Canada's tournament-best offense for not scoring enough.