EspenK
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Yes V has been up with TB. Rumor has it TB may not re-sign Bishop when his deal is up and go with V for the future.
Bringing it back on topic- maybe TB will trade Bishop.
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Yes V has been up with TB. Rumor has it TB may not re-sign Bishop when his deal is up and go with V for the future.
Bringing it back on topic- maybe TB will trade Bishop.
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They can always bury C-Mac salary in AHl. Not much different than Korpi's.
Side note: Torts' been riding Korpi and they don't play from Fri till Tues so from that angle I'd expect Korpi in goal. But they play b-to-b against Detroit the next night so that may throw a wrinkle into the plan.
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OK I was asking to see if there was (recent/current) precedent for a team having a young goalie backup in the NHL vs play more in the AHL.
Which is still off-topic for the thread - my apologies. In fact, I think we can just move this line of discussion to the Korpi thread!
Allowed 4 goals yesterday but 3 of them were close range tip-ins which are very hard to save. Maybe not as hot as he was prior, but I still see no signs of inconsistency. Hopefully he gets to play the rest of the season as a starter so his current skill level can be evaluated better. Right now I'd say ti's looking good.
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I thought he should have stopped their third goal (the beleskey tip five hole). Other than that, no chance really. He looked fine.
Give him a well-deserved rest tonight, no need to start him a 13th game in a row on the second half of a back-to-back
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They are sending him on the Bob path to righteousness. I'd say rest him too, but it's national TV and cmac starting gives me the heebie-jeebies.
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Good job. Good work. Good goal next!
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The more I see of him, the more I'm impressed. Might be time for CBJ to get rid of Bob's deal.
Finland has a population of less than 6 million. There are 8-10 active Finn NHL goalies. That is amazing. Much better at goalie development than at producing GMs apparently.
http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/nationality/active-finnish-nhl-goalies-career-stats.html
Finland has a population of less than 6 million. There are 8-10 active Finn NHL goalies. That is amazing. Much better at goalie development than at producing GMs apparently.
http://www.quanthockey.com/nhl/nationality/active-finnish-nhl-goalies-career-stats.html
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If the return is right I'd be on board with moving Bob. Too many here are enamored with Bob from 2 years ago and ignore his pedestrian, at best, stats over the past two seasons.
7.4 mill is a lot of cap.
I see 2 problems though - 1) who backs up Korpi and 2) what team will give up enough to get him. I'd like a top 6 F, a couple of good prospects and a pick, preferably a 1st, in which case I'd only need one good prospect.
Doubt it happens.
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I look at Bob as a salary dump at this point, not an asset who will return much. With his salary and health issues, there's enough risk in him that it's too much to expect a trading partner to give much more than a token asset (2nd/3rd rounder) in return. I think not having a crummy contract coming back would be sufficient return given his salary.
It really comes down to what those who are in the know-the coaching staff, front office, and scouts-think about Korpi. If they think that he's the real deal, then I think you roll the dice and dump Bob. If they are unsure, then it's probably wise to keep Bob. I don't know enough to make the call. The insiders should.
For back up, CMac is under contract. Brad Thiessen has been putting up stupid good numbers in Cleveland. He looked outstanding in Cincinnati this season when I saw him play. He might be a late bloomer. Risky, I know. But, hey, life's a gamble.
http://theahl.com/stats/statdisplay...ament_id=0&leagueId=4&division_id=-1&confId=0
You have to have another potential starter with Korp if you move Bob, not a backup. Has to be competition.
The return for Bob isn't as concerning for me as it is for others. We gave up Mason (if I remember correctly) to get him, we didn't draft him, we didn't develop him, and he's getting an injury history along with inconsistency.
What everyone sees in Bob in the potential in him to be that dominant player we've seen in the past taking us in a deep run for the Cup. What we fear is moving him and having him to that for another team. It can be paralyzing for people.
My fear is that what we've seen from his is the norm and we end up eating 20+ million for what ends up being a back up.
We all have our fears.
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Indirectly. The Mason and Bob trades were two separate deals.
I agree you have to bring in a 1B. Is there someone you can trade for to fill that slot? Here is the list of 2016 UFA goalies.
http://www.hockeybuzz.com/cap-central/freeagents.php?team=all&type=UFA&year=2016&pos=G
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Ranta and Montoya are having good years but I think their price will go up and I think their teams will try to re-sign them. Other than that kind of slim pickings imo.
Frederick Anderson (RFA) from Anaheim might be available but he'll cost.
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I personally don't want to really push to make such a trade until we've seen Korpisalo's performance next season - once folks have taken the time to study his game more thoroughly and ferret out any weaknesses. Would keep eyes and ears open out for possible replacement 1Bs, though.
I think people are looking at Korpisalo, contemplating Schneider or Rask, and going "oh, hey, out-of-the-box way to save cap space". I look and I worry about Bernier, or Raycroft, or Lack, or Toskala, and think "no, Bob has not been truly elite, but at least he's been a starter with elite streaks".
I think people are looking at Korpisalo, contemplating Schneider or Rask, and going "oh, hey, out-of-the-box way to save cap space". I look and I worry about Bernier, or Raycroft, or Lack, or Toskala, and think "no, Bob has not been truly elite, but at least he's been a starter with elite streaks".
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Having a 1A-1B tandem next season, with Bob & Korpi, I'd be ok with that.
They can push each other to be better, competitive.
And with less pressure on Bob, both physically and mentally, he might not get injured again.
They can push each other to be better, competitive.
And with less pressure on Bob, both physically and mentally, he might not get injured again.
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Is there any deadline or schedule when Bob's should be back his injury.
Korpisalo has played well for a rookie goalie but next season could be tougher for him if / when other teams could recognize / study his weaknesses.
Korpisalo has played well for a rookie goalie but next season could be tougher for him if / when other teams could recognize / study his weaknesses.
This is all moot.
Bob/C-Mac combo next season. Korp up for injuries. I said it earlier.
You need Bob as your #1 to get his value up to the point where you can actually trade him. You don't need Torts deciding to sit Bob because Korp becomes his man. Don't tempt your head coach.
In addition you don't want to continue to inflate Korp's value for his next contract, he comes due looong before Bob does. You don't need a 10-12 million dollar goalie duo.
I'll be honest our situation kind of sucks. Teams see Bob's situation and there is no time this season for Bob to quell any fears.
Bob is a top 10 goalie and he'll be back and healthy to start next season. This was his worst season since becoming a starter, and I don't see a repeat in 2016/17. Korpisalo has shown great potential and skill, but there are rough spots in his game that need work (did anyone notice the lack of lateral movement last night on Stepan's gwg?).
Mac is solid and CHEAP (1 season left on that deal), which is great for us.
Bob/Mac to start the season, Korpi in Cleveland, get him all the work we can and go forward from there.
Mac is solid and CHEAP (1 season left on that deal), which is great for us.
Bob/Mac to start the season, Korpi in Cleveland, get him all the work we can and go forward from there.
Read my last post.
I'll be honest, the point of competition is to have a backup in case Korp falters. Once again fans tend to let fear come in the way of taking calculated risks. We know what we had with Bob, we have no idea what life is like without Bob.
There's merit to it, but it's also a great way to end up with a 11.5 million dollar goalie tandem with 7.5 million goal tender you can't move because he's lucky to play 30 games.
I'm firmly of the belief that if you play the right way in front of the goal tender, you can put in a goalie with some flaws or a younger goalie working on issues. We've spent so long not doing that. I think the next season should be spent continuing to improve team defense and getting Bob's value back up with Korp back in the AHL. I would actually prefer to bring Korp up full time after C-Mac contracts expires.
If Bob recovers, start looking for that goalie swap (directly or indirectly). I could take a while. Moving Bob might end up as a deadline deal in his final season, if at all. I wouldn't extend him no matter how he plays. I don't want committed to him long term again at anything close to those dollars (maybe something changes in the future to soften this stance). The 2018 off season could very well be a very tough one for our cap situation.
This isn't meant to be sarcastic or offensive, but I love blind faith. I actually do.
However, there is far more evidence than this season's to suggest that inconsistencies and injuries are the norm for Bob. If that is the norm is 7.5 million worth 20-30 or so games a year of incredible play with 10-20 of below average to poor play with 20 games lost to injury?
Bob's a great guy, great team mate, and a flawed starting goal tender in this league. For the good of the team; as the GM you better not have that attitude moving forward. You better have some kind of exit strategy even if you don't have to use it.
You say that he's a top 10 goalie, maybe that's the cause. Sometimes he's injured, sometimes he's top 3, other times he's bottom 20 for a 5-10 game stretch. He admitted his confidence was shot earlier in the season. He can get rattled which is probably what leads to this long stretches of below average play.
You know what I like about Korp, he lets screw ups roll off of him.
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How in the world can anyone want to put Korpi back in the minors to start next season? He's already proved that he's better than CMac and there is nothing to be served from putting him back in the minors unless his level of play declines. He's a capable NHL goalie right now. Capable NHL goalies play in the NHL unless there is an excess of talent in front of them. The CBJ have no such problem. At the very least, he's #2 on the CBJ depth start starting next season barring a trade.
The notion of not playing one's best goalie because of possible future salary ramifications when he is 21 and an RFA until he is 26 or 27 is about as stupid a concept as I have ever seen offered on hfboards. And that is saying something.
Bob has competition for the #1 job now. It wasn't what was planned. But that's often the case in sports. Ask Wally Pipp. Baseball reference. The Jackets need to play their best goalie immediately at the start next season. Unless the justification of a large contract is more important than getting off to a good start. But, I guess good starts are overrated. A lot of teams can overcome poor starts. Anaheim has this year. Perhaps the Jackets can if need be
The notion of not playing one's best goalie because of possible future salary ramifications when he is 21 and an RFA until he is 26 or 27 is about as stupid a concept as I have ever seen offered on hfboards. And that is saying something.
Bob has competition for the #1 job now. It wasn't what was planned. But that's often the case in sports. Ask Wally Pipp. Baseball reference. The Jackets need to play their best goalie immediately at the start next season. Unless the justification of a large contract is more important than getting off to a good start. But, I guess good starts are overrated. A lot of teams can overcome poor starts. Anaheim has this year. Perhaps the Jackets can if need be
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How in the world can anyone want to put Korpi back in the minors to start next season? He's already proved that he's better than CMac and there is nothing to be served from putting him back in the minors unless his level of play declines. He's a capable NHL goalie right now. Capable NHL goalies play in the NHL unless there is an excess of talent in front of them. The CBJ have no such problem. At the very least, he's #2 on the CBJ depth start starting next season barring a trade.
The notion of not playing one's best goalie because of possible future salary ramifications when he is 21 and an RFA until he is 26 or 27 is about as stupid a concept as I have ever seen offered on hfboards. And that is saying something.
Bob has competition for the #1 job now. It wasn't what was planned. But that's often the case in sports. Ask Wally Pipp. Baseball reference. The Jackets need to play their best goalie immediately at the start next season. Unless of course, the justification of a large contract is more important than getting off to a good start. But, I guess good starts are overrated. A lot of teams can overcome poor starts. Anaheim has this year. Perhaps the Jackets can if need be
Is that you, MB, in CR's clothing?
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Agreed Korpi should be up here to start the season. Also you could retain like 2 million on Bob and for sure there would be takers. Edmonton especially could give up maybe someone like Eberle + for him.
