Jonathan Quick

[Reclamation Project]

Lundqvist's cap hit is $2,700,000 more per year. Rinne's is $1,200,000. Price's is $700,000.

 

[gnarls barkley]

off the top of my head - Rask, Crawford, Bobrovsky all have higher cap hits as well.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Crawford, lol. What an albatross.

 

[kingsboy11]

Good goalie who plays great in big situations. No goalie I would rather have.

 

[taz346]

My opinion of Quick hasn't changed. I still think he's the best. My only complaint would be that at one time, he was tops in shootouts, that's changed. Handling the puck outside the crease have been his downfall since day one. No surprise on that score. Just the shootouts have been a disaster this past season.

 

[Jason Lewis]

My opinion of Quick hasn't changed. I still think he's the best. My only complaint would be that at one time, he was tops in shootouts, that's changed. Handling the puck outside the crease have been his downfall since day one. No surprise on that score. Just the shootouts have been a disaster this past season.

Has it? Or are shootouts just stupidly random? There is like zero consistency in shootout numbers over stretches of two, three, or even five years.

 

[theMajor]

he could have scored some goals in the shootouts
other than that, he was fine.

 

[fsanford]

Crawford, lol. What an albatross.

If the cap hit is 68 Million....
Toews/Kane eat 21 million
Crawford/Hossa/Keith another 17 million.
Seabrook/Hjalmerson another 10 million

7 players 48 million.

Plus you got Versteeg at 4.4 million, Sharp at 5.9 million , Bickell at 4 million.

That's like $62-63 million for 10 guys..

They might try to trade Crawford, though doubt if anyone takes his salary. But I am guessing he will be on the block.
That team is gonna get dismantled more so than the previous time they took it apart

 

[TheSentinel]

Has it? Or are shootouts just stupidly random? There is like zero consistency in shootout numbers over stretches of two, three, or even five years.

I vote Jason to head up the "Committee Working Towards the Abolishment of Shootouts"

 

[Quattro]

Good goalie who plays great in big situations. No goalie I would rather have.

2nd.

 

[no name]

Terrible defense in front of him for 65% of the season and put up above average stats. His defense left him out to dry and yet he still put up typical numbers. That tells me that it was an above average season for him with a below average result. That also tells me the team around him was both tired, decimated one way or another, or at times unmotivated. That won't happen next year.

 

[Ziggy Stardust]

Probably the most consistent performer on the roster. Quick finished 7th overall in the league with 36 wins, and also had the 2nd most starts among all goalies, only one start behind the league leader with 72 starts, Braden Holtby, tied for 3rd most shutouts with 6 and had the 6th best GAA (2.24).

It was the players in front of him that let him down. And he got zero help in shootouts. He only had two wins in shootouts this season, and his team had a league worst 14.3% success rate in shootout shooting percentage.

 

[Reclamation Project]

If the cap hit is 68 Million....
Toews/Kane eat 21 million
Crawford/Hossa/Keith another 17 million.
Seabrook/Hjalmerson another 10 million

7 players 48 million.

Plus you got Versteeg at 4.4 million, Sharp at 5.9 million , Bickell at 4 million.

That's like $62-63 million for 10 guys..

They might try to trade Crawford, though doubt if anyone takes his salary. But I am guessing he will be on the block.
That team is gonna get dismantled more so than the previous time they took it apart

But I thought only the Kings were in cap trouble...

 

[Chain]

You described a scenario that has never happened in the history of the NHL.

Come up with a more realistic scenario that can be put into context.

Something like:

Kopitar sucked on the road this season, but still made his career average(or got close). But, Kopitar sucking on the road, lost the Kings points in the standings. That is a valid and logical argument with what you are trying to describe.

But you have to point out a flaw with Quick, using the scenario above with this season and his numbers.

I know I described a scenario thats never happened. Thats why I said I was going to use hyperbole. I was exaggerating the stats to clarify the concept.

I also said I wouldnt really say Quick is anymore inconsistent than other goalies, meaning Im not sure hes inconsistent enough for the concept I was talking about to apply to him more than it would pretty much any other goalie. I dont put this poor season on Quick at all really.

My point was just to point out how averages are arrived at does matter but if anyone on the team should be accused of being inconsistent its been the other players on the team.

 

[Raccoon Jesus]

Against Chicago, no. Against any other team in the league, yes.

Haha amen. Not going to dig it up again but especially in the playoffs, since 2012, Quick is (IIRC) .939 save percentage against all teams that are not Chicago, and either sub or near .900 vs. Chicago.

Quick posted close, or met his career average numbers(in other areas). He had an average season(for him).

He is going to be 30 years of age next season. He will never play as well as 2012 ever again.

People expecting him too play like 2012 Quick, need to see how age effects production.

With that said, Quick is fine going forward. His play is still at a high level.

The 'prime production' deal doesn't apply to goalies in the same way, does it? Would love to see a link.

Quick had his best regular season since 2012 with a team performing worse than...I can remember with this group. I think he's actually gotten better. But it's what he does in the playoffs that makes him special, we just didn't get that opportunity this year for a variety of reasons.

Also, the athletic goalies of the world--Tim Thomas and Quick--are more prone to variance, higher highs and lower lows. The guys that can steal you games are also vulnerable to volatility. The 'safe' butterfly goalies that play the percentages are much more consistent, but find me the last one to win a cup? we've got, over the last few years, Quick, Rask, I guess you could argue Crawford or Niemi, but they're not in the same vein as Lundqvist and Price, the 'elite, consistent' goalies that keep getting crammed down everyone's throats as the best in the league.

 

[cyclones22]

Terrible defense in front of him for 65% of the season and put up above average stats. His defense left him out to dry and yet he still put up typical numbers. That tells me that it was an above average season for him with a below average result. That also tells me the team around him was both tired, decimated one way or another, or at times unmotivated. That won't happen next year.

My line of thinking as well.

 

[Jeff18]

He sucks. It's all luck.

 

[KingClipper]

Still the best goalie in the world, definitely wouldn't want anyone else. Queen Henrik, Price, and Rask are all choke artists.

 

[SettlementRichie10]

Quick is consistent though.

In all the seasons Quick has posted over 60 games played (a full season).

Has 35+ wins at least 2.40 GAA(league average) 5 SO (on average) 9.15 SV. % (on average).

That's consistent.

Yup. Quick is consistently average. He's a big game goalie, though. Certainly this generation's Grant Fuhr.

 

[kingsholygrail]

Quick was the least of the team's problems. I can only remember a couple games where I thought he legitimately let his team down with his play.

 

[Reclamation Project]

Quick was the least of the team's problems. I can only remember a couple games where I thought he legitimately let his team down with his play.

He usually struggles in these two areas...

 

[Bondoao1]

He usually struggles in these two areas...

You got that right, I cant count how many times I yell at the TV, QUICK GET BACK IN YOUR NET!...


A bit of my own observations are that previous years we had an awesome defense, that helped Quick be an awesome goaltender.
This past season our defense was lacking for many reasons and it showed when there were way more chances on net by the opposing teams than in the previous couple years.
I think Quick has been fairly consistent with a couple dips in performance here and there.

 

[Whiskeypete]

same as others....

* i cringe when he plays the puck. the guy needs to hire M Brodeur this summer and work on that, because frankly he sucks at it.

* shootouts this past season were poor. i believe his aggressive style is his worst enemy here. first to flinch in a shootout/breakaway scenario loses. i think shooters have learned to let JQ make the first move and then counter. JQ needs to be a bit passive at time and keep the shooter guessing. if he is aggressive all the time, then it makes it easier for the shooter.

* JQ overall he had a decent season. one of the few guys all season i wasn't concerned or frustrated with. he may be off some nights, but it never for lack of effort.

* overall how he fit into the team and what transpired in front of him i think was more to blame than he was. a goalie that plays aggressive such as Quick will need a sound D supporting him. clearing pucks/rebounds, out positioning the opponents, essentially the D has to clear out and eliminate the second chances. Quick will usually eat up the first shooter/shot, when the D doesn't 'clean up the trash' it leads to problems.

the loss of Willie, Scuds and Voynov; the constant D line-up jugggling this season all lead to a sizable decrease this season when it comes to LA's defensive play around Quick. the team and the D core moving forward have some serious work to take care of this and get back to what we consider 'normal' for LA.

this always brings up the bs statements of Quick is a system goalie. this past season proves that.

i have one statement to make - every goalie is a system goalie regardless of what anyone thinks.

some systems are better than others. some teams have better and more talented players. some goalies are better than others. its a matter of how all these come together.

let the doubters and haters talk their smack. i'll take JQ any time, any place as my goalie now

 

[taz346]

Has it? Or are shootouts just stupidly random? There is like zero consistency in shootout numbers over stretches of two, three, or even five years.

Noone could possibly dislike shootouts more than me. I think they only belong in the ASG's. To me it's a team effort that should lose or win games. Not be decided on that shootout gimmick, and it is a gimmick. Sutter dislikes them and seldom chooses the right guys to participate anyway. Quick just used to be outstanding with a one on one play. That's the only difference I see in him now.

 

[DryIslandBartender]

Quick's career has already surpassed that of his idol Mike Richter but I still see the same trend. The 30s weren't exactly kind to Richter. Athletic goalies tend to struggle as they get older, so hopefully Quick can work more on technique as he gets older because the atheleticism isn't always going to be like it was in his 20s.

Besides, I'm not sure Quick is expendable at the moment, who would replace him? Platoon Jones/Berube? (Ralph)