Value of: Jonathan Quick at the deadline

[Crown Royal]

The Kings have players of a similar ilk to MTL. I will wash Doughty and Weber and MTL doesn’t have a Kopitar and yet they make it to the finals? Why do you think that is?

Danault?

 

[crazyforhockey]

Quick at 50% retention is a $2.9 million cap hit. There are 31 other goalies in the league with a higher cap hit than Quick at 50%. Pittsburgh would save $600,000 in cap space trading Jarry, as just one example.

If I'm LA though, I'm not interested in just giving Quick away. As evidenced by several players leaving the Kings and just straight up being better players (Carter, Martinez, Toffoli, etc), there's still probably some real value there. Especially when Quick is on, man, he's just such a game changer.

I just don't know what "fair" looks like if LA is retaining 50% on a deal and taking back salary.

But your still still stuck with 5.8 mil cap hit next season.....
Too hard in a flat cap situation

AND LA hard against cap, cant take back bad contracts going into next year as the have a lot of RFA salaries next year, plus holes to fill on blue line( even with Brown cap hit off books)

 

[kilowatt]

But your still still stuck with 5.8 mil cap hit next season.....
Too hard in a flat cap situation

Literally the first line of my post is "Quick at 50% retention is a $2.9 million cap hit"

Who is stuck with a $5.8 million cap hit?

 

[YP44]

But your still still stuck with 5.8 mil cap hit next season.....
Too hard in a flat cap situation

AND LA hard against cap, cant take back bad contracts going into next year as the have a lot of RFA salaries next year, plus holes to fill on blue line( even with Brown cap hit off books)

not alot of RFAs in LA that are going to break the bank. If Kempe wants big money he can f*** right off.

 

[McSuper]

Yep, Quick has Edmonton written all over it.
If there is a trade for Quick, Edmonton should offer something like that.
I like it for both teams.

I do too and it is a helluva a better trade then coughing up a 1st for Chiarot .

 

[deaderhead28]

If that is true, Blake needs to go.

A GM is supposed to give a team a chance on the Stanley Cup on an every year base.
This is not a charity or old folks home here

Kings are not this season or next a Stanley Cup team.Blake is right,Quick,Kopitar,Brown and Doughty have earned it.

 

[ManofSteel55]

any chance of switching the pick for Broberg? If so I would be all over this. Would even add more retention or a mid level prospect.

Cannot see Smith and Quick on the same team.

No chance on Broberg. Broberg is a piece we need. If he were available, it would be for a goalie of the future, not a goalie for the next two years. We could maybe make it a goalie prospect though. Konovolov is good but might be held back by Skinner.

 

[ManofSteel55]

But your still still stuck with 5.8 mil cap hit next season.....
Too hard in a flat cap situation

AND LA hard against cap, cant take back bad contracts going into next year as the have a lot of RFA salaries next year, plus holes to fill on blue line( even with Brown cap hit off books)

Taking Koskinen back is a fine solution then as his contract is expiring. Quick at 4M for Koskinen and a 1st. Clears cap for the Kings, gets them a stop gap goalie for the rest of the year and gives them cap space at the end of the year. Also gives another 1st of course, where the real value lies. The rest are nice bonuses. And Koskinen has been really good this year anyway for the most part.

 

[ManofSteel55]

I want no part of Quick next season at $4.3 million at 36 and giving a 1st to do so, that's horrid.

It's better than going into next year with Smith and Skinner as our 1-2. Quick is playing well again and at 4.3 million is a good cap hit. Or 4. It whatever we can get them down to. I'm not a huge fan of the age either but it's a short deal.

 

[YP44]

No chance on Broberg. Broberg is a piece we need. If he were available, it would be for a goalie of the future, not a goalie for the next two years. We could maybe make it a goalie prospect though. Konovolov is good but might be held back by Skinner.

fair, can't steal second with your foot of first so thought I would ask

 

[Kurrilino]

Kings are not this season or next a Stanley Cup team.Blake is right,Quick,Kopitar,Brown and Doughty have earned it.

????
Quick, Kopitar, Borwn and Doughty are the main reason why the Kings are not a Stanley Cup team.
So why keeping them around if they can have a cup run somewhere else

 

[bernmeister]

Rangers possibly could be 3rd team brokers

Quick to NYR max retained
Quick further retained to _________

However, nobody is doing anybody any favors
mutual backscratch, sure
favors no

cap space is precious,
NY would still need a work around for next year
and want to get something signif for their trouble now,
ie pick upgrade and/or bluest blue chip add.

Let's see who top offers are for Quick
to what extent LA needs to retain and if that is enuf
then we can talk

 

[Kurrilino]

Rangers possibly could be 3rd team brokers

Quick to NYR max retained
Quick further retained to _________

However, nobody is doing anybody any favors
mutual backscratch, sure
favors no

cap space is precious,
NY would still need a work around for next year
and want to get something signif for their trouble now,
ie pick upgrade and/or bluest blue chip add.

Let's see who top offers are for Quick
to what extent LA needs to retain and if that is enuf
then we can talk

What is this with 3rd team brokers again.

We already have an agreement here for Koskinen + 1st +2nd 2023 for Quick 33% retained
It's the rare occasion where both parties agree.

No need for any brokers.
If the Rangers want him, they have to beat the Oilers offer.

Please feel free to make an offer

 

[bernmeister]

What is this with 3rd team brokers again.

We already have an agreement here for Koskinen + 1st +2nd 2023 for Quick 33% retained
It's the rare occasion where both parties agree.

No need for any brokers.
If the Rangers want him, they have to beat the Oilers offer.

Please feel free to make an offer

upon further reflection, broker would be more applicable to say Price than Quick.
Offer to broker withdrawn. No NYR interest in an offer on Quick.

In my defense, what caught my attention was:

People are inconsistent on this board. Price at 50% and people won’t take the contract, but suddenly Quick comes back from the dead after 5 years for 11 games and he is worth a first?

MTL needs a rebuild and Price is a MUCH better goalie. If the money can be made to work then do that.

I want no part of Quick next season at $4.3 million at 36 and giving a 1st to do so, that's horrid.

 

[beedee]

I'd love to see him retire a King. It would be really weird to see him on another team.

 

[Lt Dan]

If that is true, Blake needs to go.

A GM is supposed to give a team a chance on the Stanley Cup on an every year base.
This is not a charity or old folks home here

The Kings do not have a good reputation and are trying to improve it.

Remember when the Kings had Chara all but signed and lost him to Boston at the last second because some old Boston players filled him in on how the Kings treated players?

 

[Kurrilino]

The Kings do not have a good reputation and are trying to improve it.

Remember when the Kings had Chara all but signed and lost him to Boston at the last second because some old Boston players filled him in on how the Kings treated players?

I am fully confident, if we build a winning mentality and compete for the cup, mix in the beach life under palm tress,
we will attract the right guys and missing pieces.

I don't want to attract people Danault or Roenick or similar peeps who just come here to have an easy life.
Carrying our oldies around in golden carriages with red pillows, is attracting the wrong crowd.
I want Chara when he is 21, not 36
If you want to become a Kings you have to benefit the team.
This and nothing else should be our image.

Just look at the golden years of the Red Wings, where people like Hull or Robitaille took even discounts to just get a chance to play for the Wings and win a cup

 

[deaderhead28]

????
Quick, Kopitar, Borwn and Doughty are the main reason why the Kings are not a Stanley Cup team.
So why keeping them around if they can have a cup run somewhere else

Their not the reason.What it takes is the 2 teams that did win the cup.You can't win with propects.They need to grow and all teams need veteran leadership who actually won.

 

[Lt Dan]

Just look at the golden years of the Red Wings, where people like Hull or Robitaille took even discounts to just get a chance to play for the Wings and win a cup

That was also before the salary cap and really hasn't happened since

 

[KingPuckChoo]

The Kings have players of a similar ilk to MTL. I will wash Doughty and Weber and MTL doesn’t have a Kopitar and yet they make it to the finals? Why do you think that is?

i'm pretty sure that having an entire division of Canadian teams for an entire season where Montreal still managed to be ranked 18th overall (they wouldn't even have qualified in their conference nor their regular division - therefore wouldn't even have made the playoffs pre-covid). Avoiding teams like PIT, WSH, BOS, PHI, COL, MIN, STL, etc... along the way may have had a minor minor very tiny tiny tiny minor tiny tiny part in all of this, wouldn't you say?

Especially given Price's poor seasonal records (i.e. 2020: 2.64GAA / .904%)

Also, Montreal went 5-6 against American teams that season

that finals should have never happened, would have never happened, and Tampa Bay confirmed it as well for you

but you choose to remain blind, that's on you

Furthermore,

Quick's Season: 678GP-340W-254L-72OTL 2.41GAA / .913%
Quick's Playoffs: 85GP -46W-39L 2.23GAA / .922%

is right there with

Price's Season: 707GP-360W-257L-79OTL 2.50GAA / .917%
Price's Playoffs: 92GP-43W-45L-2.39GAA / .919%

the main difference, to me, is Quick went through a series of near-career ending groin pulls and back issues that slowed him down the past 3 seasons

but he has a Conn Smythe under his belt too

what does Price have? a $10.5m price tag

enough said

 

[Mersss]

Rangers possibly could be 3rd team brokers

Quick to NYR max retained
Quick further retained to _________

However, nobody is doing anybody any favors
mutual backscratch, sure
favors no

cap space is precious,
NY would still need a work around for next year
and want to get something signif for their trouble now,
ie pick upgrade and/or bluest blue chip add.

Let's see who top offers are for Quick
to what extent LA needs to retain and if that is enuf
then we can talk

Lol Bern at it again.

Teans who've done that the past few years got a 3rd / 4th... guy's hoping for a top10 pick+

 

[HugeInTheShire]

Goalies don't traditionally bring a lot in trades, but I think this could be the rare example of an aging goalie actually being worth a decent haul

 

[Kurrilino]

Their not the reason.What it takes is the 2 teams that did win the cup.You can't win with propects.They need to grow and all teams need veteran leadership who actually won.

I absolutely agree.
But there is a difference of veterans and grandpas waiting for the end of their career.
Veterans also lead on the ice and are not dragged around as dead weight