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Prospect Info: Jonathan Lekkerimaki, #15 Overall, 2022 NHL Draft

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It's really not that uncommon for younger players to get benched in the world juniors. There is a very good reason they call it a tournament for 19 and 20 year olds. And while people want to dismiss injuries etc (mono, flu) he is also coming off a concussion he received in late november and was cleared right before the tournament.

I think everyone needs to remember that he is very young. He's 18 and will still be 18 when the season ends. Hell he may still be 18 when the canucks do their summer prospect get together after the draft.

His season hasn't been electrifying and people are likely right to have some concerns but we are are nowhere near declaring bust on a player that is one of the youngest in his league.
 
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tantalum said:
It's really not that uncommon for younger players to get benched in the world juniors. There is a very good reason they call it a tournament for 19 and 20 year olds. And while people want to dismiss injuries etc (mono, flu) he is also coming off a concussion he received in late november and was cleared right before the tournament.

I think everyone needs to remember that he is very young. He's 18 and will still be 18 when the season ends. Hell he may still be 18 when the canucks do their summer prospect get together after the draft.

His season hasn't been electrifying and people are likely right to have some concerns but we are are nowhere near declaring bust on a player that is one of the youngest in his league.
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You know who else is also 18?
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This very well might be a small sample, but the whole thing with prospects is you’re generally basing their projection on a small sample, so changes across a new small sample should more meaningfully shift your projection than they would for older players.

Lekkerimaki’s J20 numbers last year were pedestrian, and he was generally ranked as a mid-first rounder by mid-season, so his end of season projection as a top-10 pick was largely driven by his good performance in 26 SEL games. His more recent 20 games in the Allsvenskan plus his WJC performance should probably be weighed more heavily than his 26 SEL games last season at this point.
 
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pitseleh said:
This very well might be a small sample, but the whole thing with prospects is you’re generally basing their projection on a small sample, so changes across a new small sample should more meaningfully shift your projection than they would for older players.

Lekkerimaki’s J20 numbers last year were pedestrian, and he was generally ranked as a mid-first rounder by mid-season, so his end of season projection as a top-10 pick was largely driven by his good performance in 26 SEL games. His more recent 20 games in the Allsvenskan plus his WJC performance should probably be weighed more heavily than his 26 SEL games last season at this point.
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I am all for weighing things, and giving them there proper amount of importance in this situation, but my question - and it is a questions as I maintain I have not watched any of his WJC, or his earlier play this season or his play last year, is how much do you weigh that against his young age?

Again not trying to defend him as I haven't seen him play that much to really have an opinion.
 
racerjoe said:
I am all for weighing things, and giving them there proper amount of importance in this situation, but my question - and it is a questions as I maintain I have not watched any of his WJC, or his earlier play this season or his play last year, is how much do you weigh that against his young age?

Again not trying to defend him as I haven't seen him play that much to really have an opinion.
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That is definitely something that needs to be weighed in the valuation - it was certainly something that gave me extra comfort with the pick. But the younger age only helps in so far as you can effectively project more development time relative to an older prospect from the same cohort. But so far he’s mostly wasted that extra time by regressing rather than showing progress.

If you took Lekkerimaki’s performance today, put him in last year’s draft but as a February birthday, where does he go? I’m not sure but it seems unlikely to me that it is close to where he went.
 
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So where did the Canucks rated him 7th thing come from?

I thought this regime was airtight from leaks like that?

Also, young age was the Virtanen excuse too.
 
i remember mono was the Holden excuse also. its first day of work in the new years, some positivity please, a loss tonight will get things started in the right direction. JL benching working and jump starting the third line against a good czech team will be the kicker.
 
4Twenty said:
So where did the Canucks rated him 7th thing come from?

I thought this regime was airtight from leaks like that?

Also, young age was the Virtanen excuse too.
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Draft day vid. If you zoomed in on their draft list that was on the table in the background you could make out that they had him somewhere 5th to 8th overall.
 
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Raistlin said:
i remember mono was the Holden excuse also. its first day of work in the new years, some positivity please, a loss tonight will get things started in the right direction. JL benching working and jump starting the third line against a good czech team will be the kicker.
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Didn’t Holden get his hands cut?
 
It’s looking increasingly likely this selection was made similar to how Benning made his: Seen him good at one tournament.

Lekk ripped up the U18s. They had him rated very high. Other teams disagreed.
 
tantalum said:
It's really not that uncommon for younger players to get benched in the world juniors. There is a very good reason they call it a tournament for 19 and 20 year olds.
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WJC is a tournament for players UNDER 20 years old. But I get your point.
 
Raistlin said:
i remember mono was the Holden excuse also. its first day of work in the new years, some positivity please, a loss tonight will get things started in the right direction. JL benching working and jump starting the third line against a good czech team will be the kicker.
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Holden had a horrific wrist injury that never healed properly, he's a poor example.

People turning on Lekkerimaki already are the same people turning on Hughes, who turned on Hughes in 2021, who turned on Petey last year. Reactionaries who never have patience or humility and don't learn from their mistakes.

I have time for someone saying they had others higher than Lekki, but if you're stat watching and ignoring concussion, mono, etc. Then you're opinion is just noise. Give him time, 2022 wasn't a good draft year, the 15th overall pick wasn't going to be relevant to the big team until 2024 anyway.
 
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WJC is a tournament for players UNDER 20 years old. But I get your point.
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They can turn 20 in 2023 which is what I meant by 20 year olds. Many of the participants will be 20 well before the season ends. That’s who this tournament is really for.
 
bossram said:
It’s looking increasingly likely this selection was made similar to how Benning made his: Seen him good at one tournament.

Lekk ripped up the U18s. They had him rated very high. Other teams disagreed.
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Nah..

Its his SHL production. That is easily his most impressive accomplishment.
17 year old's rarely get to play a second of SHL hockey, let alone play 26 games and score 7 goals.
 
MarkusNaslund19 said:
Holden had a horrific wrist injury that never healed properly, he's a poor example.

People turning on Lekkerimaki already are the same people turning on Hughes, who turned on Hughes in 2021, who turned on Petey last year. Reactionaries who never have patience or humility and don't learn from their mistakes.

I have time for someone saying they had others higher than Lekki, but if you're stat watching and ignoring concussion, mono, etc. Then you're opinion is just noise. Give him time, 2022 wasn't a good draft year, the 15th overall pick wasn't going to be relevant to the big team until 2024 anyway.
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Except EP and Hughes tracked amazingly as prospects and had impact rookie nhl seasons. Was easy to imagine them returning back to being high end nhl players. With Lekk we’re just hoping he can get back to just tracking well as a prospect(and a lot of skilled guys that track well still don’t make in impact in the nhl).

Apples to oranges.

PuckMunchkin said:
Nah..

Its his SHL production. That is easily his most impressive accomplishment.
17 year old's rarely get to play a second of SHL hockey, let alone play 26 games and score 7 goals.
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Makes me wonder how many mid or high 1st round draft picks that fail to live up to expectations placed on them are just players who rode timely yet unsustainable percentages during their draft years.
 
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Nucker101 said:
Makes me wonder how many mid or high 1st round draft picks that fail to live up to expectations placed on them are just players who rode timely yet unsustainable percentages during their draft years.
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It's the job of the scouts to differentiate between the two.

There's some fans out there that are better scouts than the scouts themselves lol.
 
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Nucker101 said:
Except EP and Hughes tracked amazingly as prospects and had impact rookie nhl seasons. Was easy to imagine them returning back to being high end nhl players. With Lekk we’re just hoping he can get back to just tracking well as a prospect(and a lot of skilled guys that track well still don’t make in impact in the nhl).

Apples to oranges.




Makes me wonder how many mid or high 1st round draft picks that fail to live up to expectations placed on them are just players who rode timely yet unsustainable percentages during their draft years.
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Sure but that isn’t what happened here as the canucks had him ranked inside the top 10
 
Would be quite something if this guy gets snubbed for the 2024 WJC's. :laugh: Developing in backwards fashion.
 
PuckMunchkin said:
Nah..

Its his SHL production. That is easily his most impressive accomplishment.
17 year old's rarely get to play a second of SHL hockey, let alone play 26 games and score 7 goals.
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All the more reason for me to just give him time and not get too caught up in a bad year. He may totally bust. Who knows? Just not going to worry about that now.
 
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