Jonathan Drouin is 100% finished as an NHLer

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In Drouin's later seasons, I kept repeating on the habs board that if you look at Drouin as a middle six winger, then he is effective in his role.

After a couple of seasons with the habs, it was apparent that he did not have the consistency from game to game to be a top 6 or top line player. Once my expectations were adjusted, he did a good job in that tweener role.

He'll go stretches with points and other stretches without. Many teams have players like this, and to a certain extent, every team needs to fill out their roster with guys like this.

Avs have the luxury to not rely on Drouin. Habs didn't have that luxury which I guess is what frustrated fans.
 
Kid has alligator blood, hanging around. Always like him as a player, even though he obviously never lived up to the hype and thus people act like he’s not even a NHL caliber player.
 
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24pts is still an NHLer imo
You could put a dead raccoon on MacKinnons wing, and it would score 24 points… Drouin has been spiralling around the toilet bowl since TB. Has some ok spurts that eventually disappear and he returns to disappointing form… overall he just doesn’t have the drive or spirit…
 
As a fan of Jonathan Drouin - I'd like to thank OP for making this thread on December 11th.

Prior to Dec 11th:

26 games - 3 goals, 5 assists,8 points. Pace of 9 goals and 25 points over 82 games

After OP's thread on December 11th:

10 games - 3 goals, 7 assists, 10 points. Pace of 25 goals and 82 points over 82 games.
Jonathan Drouin when his coach tells him to play better

"Shut yo goofy ass up, I'll do w.e I want, I get paid all the same"

Jonathan Drouin when HF makes a thread trashing him

"G-guys I'm so sorry, I'm gonna give it my all, please please don't cut me"
 
In Drouin's later seasons, I kept repeating on the habs board that if you look at Drouin as a middle six winger, then he is effective in his role.

After a couple of seasons with the habs, it was apparent that he did not have the consistency from game to game to be a top 6 or top line player. Once my expectations were adjusted, he did a good job in that tweener role.

He'll go stretches with points and other stretches without. Many teams have players like this, and to a certain extent, every team needs to fill out their roster with guys like this.

Avs have the luxury to not rely on Drouin. Habs didn't have that luxury which I guess is what frustrated fans.
The difference is everyone in Tampa expected him to be the guy they drafted 3rd overall, everyone in Montreal expected him to be the guy they traded Sergechev for. Everyone in Colorado has no expectations for him at 825k.
 
This guy is playing with three of the best game breakers in the league and only has 3 goals and 8 pts. Has been a healthy scratch already. If putting him on MacKinnons wing can’t get him going, I don’t think any NHL player can. I thought MacKinnon would have been able to get Jonathan back to form but it hasn’t happened. Drouin even saw #1PP time early in the season and was given every opportunity to flourish offensively next to MacKinnon, Rantanen and Makar.

So is Drouin finished as an NHLer after this year? He’s not good enough to be a top six player and he’s not the right fit for a bottom six player. I can’t see any teams interested in him this summer. I think he retires or plays in another league.

Hope the Avs can upgrade him this summer and get MacKinnon a real winger. Shouldnt be difficult.
Many if us called that in Montreal years ago .....that he was finished , " a walking buy out"
 
In Drouin's later seasons, I kept repeating on the habs board that if you look at Drouin as a middle six winger, then he is effective in his role.

After a couple of seasons with the habs, it was apparent that he did not have the consistency from game to game to be a top 6 or top line player. Once my expectations were adjusted, he did a good job in that tweener role.

He'll go stretches with points and other stretches without. Many teams have players like this, and to a certain extent, every team needs to fill out their roster with guys like this.

Avs have the luxury to not rely on Drouin. Habs didn't have that luxury which I guess is what frustrated fans.

Yeah. Calling him "not an NHLer" is just a bridge too far. It's hyperbole because he's very underwhelming. He's not a real quality play-driving Top-6er, but he's still a capable NHLer (when he's healthy, and motivated, etc.).

But lots of teams have players like him. Guys who just sorta hang around the Top-9 and fill a complementary "offensive-oriented utility role". Riding shotgun to better players. Disappointing but not altogether pathetic production. It does suck and become annoying to watch, because he always seems like he's got the skill to be a much better player...but even when he's working hard, he's still just far too wildly inconsistent offensively. But it takes a fairly high level of skill, vision, and offensive ability to just ~exist~ offensively without getting in the way of other players. Drouin has that, even if he's never going to drive play on his own in that regard.


If you start thinking about and framing his play as a "Pius Suter" type rather than as a "Failed Top Pick Superstar"...it starts to make a lot more sense. Especially now that his salary level is commensurate with that kind of thing.

You wish you could get some other utility out of that player, on the PK or something. But he's actually a pretty capable powerplay guy, so he is at least able to contribute to some special teams work. Though ideally you want him on the second unit as a facilitator for some straightforward shooters and crash the net types, rather than on the top unit. Though he has enough vision and passing ability to not get in the way if he has to sub in there too.


He's just one of those players who draws a ton of unfair ire because he's a "failed Top-3 draft pick". A guy who is burdened by expectations that he never lived up to. Which he also clearly wears very heavily.
 
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As a fan of Jonathan Drouin - I'd like to thank OP for making this thread on December 11th.

Prior to Dec 11th:

26 games - 3 goals, 5 assists,8 points. Pace of 9 goals and 25 points over 82 games

After OP's thread on December 11th:

10 games - 3 goals, 7 assists, 10 points. Pace of 25 goals and 82 points over 82 games.
So much hate towards him over the years... He's had about a dozen wrist injuries and has never fully recovered and likely never will. He physically CAN'T ever be the player he was once projected to be.

But clearly he always had skill that can, in the right situation, help him be an effective NHL player. Even last year on a decimated Habs team he was on of the most productive players offensively per minute.
 
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Glad to see him get his career back on track. Nothing wrong if he settles into a good second line player for another 3 to 5 years.
 
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He's honestly been so much better then even the most optimistic of expectations for him coming into the season.

I would say the most optimistic takes from Avs fans before the season started was that we get ~0.5 PPG production while providing absolutely nothing else on the ice when it comes to defensive coverage, forechecking, physicality, etc. etc.

Instead he's honestly bringing everything I just mentioned and more. He backchecks harder then almost any other forward on the ice(Nichushkin existing being the reason he isn't the hardest backchecker), he's actually bought in completely to the way the Avs play. Forechecks, plays the body, smart decisions with the puck. And of course the Mackinnon/Drouin chemistry has proven to absolutely translate from juniors to the NHL level.

It was a bit of rough start for him, 1 point in his first 10 games and it took some tough coaching to get him fully bought into the way we play but seriously, I dont think you could find a single Avs fan that hasn't been absolutely thrilled with the way he's been playing since pretty much the middle of November.
 
What Habs fans said about Drouin how he can't shoot, doesn't backcheck and play along the boards. They were right earlier this season about his shooting he was allergic to shooting to the net when he had a grade A chance instead tried to pass. He always gave his effort though since being here you could see it sometimes with him taking stupid penalties but that wasn't the lack of effort but him trying his best Nuke impression (I said trying). Now that he's doing both of the things he was criticized for it is showing the scoring sheets and how Bednar utilizes him. At 825K that's a great signing so far !
 
What Habs fans said about Drouin how he can't shoot, doesn't backcheck and play along the boards. They were right earlier this season about his shooting he was allergic to shooting to the net when he had a grade A chance instead tried to pass. He always gave his effort though since being here you could see it sometimes with him taking stupid penalties but that wasn't the lack of effort but him trying his best Nuke impression (I said trying). Now that he's doing both of the things he was criticized for it is showing the scoring sheets and how Bednar utilizes him. At 825K that's a great signing so far !

Bednar deserves a lot of credit here, I like the way he's handled Drouin this year. He was put in the best position to succeed at the start of the season and didn't give up on him when he struggled. Drouin's skillset is actually being maximized whereas a lot coaches on top teams will just staple an underperforming skilled player to the 4th line and bump up some grinder.
 
He’s been worth signing another contract with the Avs. He’s playing like a solid middle six winger. If he doesn’t go crazy outpricing himself he may have found a home.
 
Bednar deserves a lot of credit here, I like the way he's handled Drouin this year. He was put in the best position to succeed at the start of the season and didn't give up on him when he struggled. Drouin's skillset is actually being maximized whereas a lot coaches on top teams will just staple an underperforming skilled player to the 4th line and bump up some grinder.
This is one of Bednar's biggest strengths as a coach.

He doesn't spoon feed them minutes to players that don't deserve it, but he still puts them in positions to succeed. It's not easy to earn Bednar's trust which is why he rides the top guys so hard - but Drouin has averaged close to 20 minutes the last 5 games and has looked great. That's a huge testament to Drouin's play of late.

Drouin has always had the talent, he just needed the confidence and coaching to help get him out of his funk - I honestly think he can be a 60+ point player the rest of his career if he stays with the Avs for another year or two, but he's quickly pricing himself out unless he wants to take a significant discount.
 
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