Movies: Joker: Folie a Deux

[PeteWorrell]

This movie disavows the first movie and actively mocks the audience that liked it. Making it a musical was the first sign that this movie would most likely be a bad joke.

 

[93gilmour93]

Got smoked by another clown movie this weekend too, tough scenes

 

[blueandgoldguy]

I don't believe for a second this movie cost close to $200 million. $20 million for Phoenix, $12 million for Gaga, let's say $10 million for the director...leaves about $150 million for everything else. This movie almost entirely exists within the prison/asylum and the courtroom with no impressive set pieces. Barely any outdoor scenes in New York...actually seemed like quite a few less minutes than the first movie. Marginal special effects.

Even with the inflated salaries, I have trouble seeing this being more than $100 million. Me thinks there was serious magical accounting going on here. Inflate the budget for this movie by adding accommodation costs/catering etc. from other movies filming at approx. the same time and add it on to the budget of this movie deflating the budget of those movies. I can't think of any other logical explanation.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1845931736301293868

It’s now poised to lose at least $150 million to $200 million in its theatrical run, according to the estimates of insiders as well as three rival executives with knowledge of similar productions. One source speculates the film will end up losing its backers just north of $200 million, while another believes the damages may be closer to $125 million.

A box office disaster

I don't believe for a second this movie cost close to $200 million. $20 million for Phoenix, $12 million for Gaga, let's say $10 million for the director...leaves about $150 million for everything else. This movie almost entirely exists within the prison/asylum and the courtroom with no impressive set pieces. Barely any outdoor scenes in New York...actually seemed like quite a few less minutes than the first movie. Marginal special effects.

Even with the inflated salaries, I have trouble seeing this being more than $100 million. Me thinks there was serious magical accounting going on here. Inflate the budget for this movie by adding accommodation costs/catering etc. from other movies filming at approx. the same time and add it on to the budget of this movie deflating the budget of those movies. I can't think of any other logical explanation.

They spent $100M alone on marketing and distribution (Fairly standard rate for major release like this nowadays)

 

[LarKing]

Who would have thought people who like joker/DC movies would not be into musicals?

Oh wait, everyone knew this. I liked the first one a lot. Would've seen this even with bad reviews if it weren't a musical. I think I was forced to watch too many boring musicals growing up because you honestly couldn't pay me to see this. Just a baffling, braindead idea

 

[PK Cronin]

Who would have thought people who like joker/DC movies would not be into musicals?

Oh wait, everyone knew this. I liked the first one a lot. Would've seen this even with bad reviews if it weren't a musical. I think I was forced to watch too many boring musicals growing up because you honestly couldn't pay me to see this. Just a baffling, braindead idea

I've seen the idea mentioned online before that some sequels should deviate from the genre that the original was in, and I think that's a very interesting idea. Taking Joker and turning it into a musical seems like a recipe for disaster.

I believe the example that I saw mentioned before was something like Billy Madison 2 being more of a drama or something like that instead of a comedy. I'm not sure that works either but I imagine there's some genre bending that could happen for sequels that take place way after the original that would work, but it'd be very specific. Not sure why they chose to take a stab at it here because I don't really have any intention of seeing this and I enjoyed the first one.

 

[blueandgoldguy]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1845931736301293868

A box office disaster



They spent $100M alone on marketing and distribution (Fairly standard rate for major release like this nowadays)

The $200 million reported budget is the production budget only. It does not include marketing and distribution. I will stand by my original statement - I don't believe this movie cost close to $200 million.

If the $100 million marketing budget is factual - and that seems about right for a typical big budget movie - then the movie would need to gross $600 million worldwide to break even. Let's say this movie breaks $200 million worldwide with half that going to the studio. $100 million share for the studio minus the total of $300 million for production and marketing equals $200 million loss...assuming this movie didn't receive any tax credits. But again, given I don't believe that bs production number I think the loss would be closer to $100 million. Of course, that's still pretty substantial.

 

[Osprey]

I could possibly respect the attempt to try something bold and different by making it a musical. However, not supplementing the unexpected with any of what the fans did expect, seemingly rejecting what they liked about the first film, making what sounds like a film that isn't a pleasure to sit through and then christening it with a comically pretentious title (that reminds me of Hot Shots! Part Deux) just makes the whole thing seem terribly misguided. It feels like they let the first film's success go to their heads and sought to make art for the sake of more critical praise and award nominations than entertainment for the sake of fans.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

I could possibly respect the attempt to try something bold and different by making it a musical. However, not supplementing the unexpected with any of what the fans did expect, seemingly rejecting what they liked about the first movie, making what sounds like a joyless film and then christening it with a comically pretentious title (which reminds me of Hot Shot! Part Deux) just makes the whole thing appear terribly misguided. It seems like they they let the first movie's success go to their heads and sought to make art for the sake of more critical praise and award nominations than entertainment for the sake of fans.

I tend to agree with this. It reeks of a movie trying to gain the approval of an audience it never had in the first place because the original film rose above usual superhero dreck. But then failing in every which way.

 

[Blackhawkswincup]

Joker 2 appears to have been pulled from theaters after less than a month of release

Its final week playing at 1,243 theaters it fell to a dismal $44 a theater which means it was averaging what 3 people a theater at today's prices?

Joker 2 box office #'s

$58M - Domestically
$143.5M - Internationally
$201.5M - Total gross

Original film

$335.4M - Domestically
$743.4M - Internationally
$1.078B - Total gross

 

[trojansoilers]

https://x.com/i/web/status/1852979930055036990

Hideo Kojima thinks people's views about the movie will change in 10-20 years

Can't wait for my kids to tell me about this awesome comic book movie from the 2020s that they discovered while smoking out with their friends in their college dorm.