Movies: Joker: Folie a Deux

[KallioWeHardlyKnewYe]

Wasn't a fan of the first one but its best moments were when it was steering away from comic booky stuff. (And I like comic books, just didn't care for those elements here). It's at its worst with the baby Bruce scenes and the whole Thomas may be my dad subplot.

A sequel was inevitable. I also think Phillips has always been disingenuous about the whole thing. Never once bought his whole I HAD TO SMUGGLE MY ART INSIDE THIS CRASS COMMERCE schtick about the first movie. The fact that he's all "let roll" on a sequel that isn't needed just underlines all this.

Congrats on your success. Enjoy your riches. Just stop pissing on my head and telling me you're Martin Scorsese.

 

[tmg]

It will never cease to satisfy me that Todd Phillips made the first movie because he was butthurt that he couldn't call people f****ts anymore and that people stopped watching his shitty Hangover movies, so he goes full red pill and blames cancel culture only to lose his Best Director award to a dude who made a comedy about Hitler.

Wut? Waititi wasn’t even nominated for Best Director that year (Phillips was). Bong Joon-ho won best director for Parasite.

Waititi did beat Phillips for Adapted Screenplay that year…

 

[Sasha Orlov]

Extremely based if they keep the stupid superhero bullshit out of it like the first

I don’t want to see Batman and Joaquin Phoenix in the same film

 

[Dolemite]

So many angry responses. Go out and touch some grass or something.

 

[KallioWeHardlyKnewYe]

An overrated ripoff gets a sequel. Ya don’t say.

Such edge. What about it was a ripoff?

Apparently it is hip to accuse joker of being taxi driver

This is a funny criticism to get mad about considering Todd Phillips openly talked about how Taxi Driver and King of Comedy influenced/inspired the movie even going as far as having Martin Scorsese listed as a producer early in the process (he later pulled out).

I'll give Phillips credit for sticking to that idea as opposed to every Marvel project which at some point winds up framed as some sorta Three Days of the Condor/Pretty Woman/2001: A Space Odyssey/The Breakfast Club mashup because god forbid someone just can't admit they want to make an entertaining superhero movie.

I had issues with Joker but it's crystal clear it's a Taxi Driver/King of Comedy homage.

 

[Pizza!Pizza!]

Hollywood is morally and creatively bankrupt and other than a few rare exceptions there has not been a good original movie in 30 years.

If you actually start studying the history of film you'll see that 90% of movies are a remake/reboot/derivative of something, or usually multiple somethings, that came before it. Hollywood will remake every successful movie for each generation. Writers find inspiration in the stories they've experienced and that is why tropes and clichés exist in the first place.

For people to act like some pseudo intellectual snobs and scoff at Joker because it was derivative of Taxi Driver is super cringey. No one thinks you're smart or cool for noticing similarities to one of the most popular movies of all time. Joker was great entertainment and its very rare for anything out of post 1997 Hollywood to even be watchable, let alone great.

Sure a Joker sequel is going to be a soulless money grab, true to Hollywood form. However, its still a good thing that its being made because there is a chance that Todd Phillips is capable of making two good movies. If nothing else it should have a good cast and production values.

 

[Static]

The joker sequel has been jokerfied.

 

[beowulf]

Gawd I hate musicals and this one will be a skip for sure if this is the case.

 

[Rabid Ranger]

I mean, that is thinking outside the box.....At some point though it's just the brand in name only (ahem...Catwoman w/Halle Berry). There's a certain "promise" you have to fulfill and if you don't people become indifferent or even hostile.

 

[Normal Devil]

Word on street is that Joker 2 is going to be a musical. This could be colossally bad!

 

[ucanthanzalthetruth]

When I heard this I just thought of:

 

[tarheelhockey]

A thread where people get called edgelords for pointing out that an edgelord classic resembles another edgelord classic.

Waiting for the rebuttals that defending these movies by calling people edgelords is nothing more than people being edgy. Then we will reach meta-edginess.

 

[Spring in Fialta]

The joker sequel has been jokerfied.

Oof. That seems like a really, really bad idea. And you add Gaga to it? Ayaye.

 

[CaptainCrunch67]

I would have hoped they would have avoided a sequel. I mean I liked the first one, I thought it was interesting. But I don't see what a second one would do.

 

[beowulf]

Oof. That seems like a really, really bad idea. And you add Gaga to it? Ayaye.

Her acting ability, while playing a singer, has surprised me but ya still not something I am interested in watching if true.

 

[CaptainCrunch67]

Yeah if they have any plans to loop Phoenix's Joker in with R Patman, there's a big continuity issue with having a much younger Joker in The Batman. I honestly don't see how they can do it. They're up to 3 separate Jokers in the DCU now.

Honestly I don't even know what they're doing with the universe anymore. Batfleck and Leto's joker are off the chopping block. Joker in his standalone was already in his mid 30s at best when Bruce Wayne was still a child. Then in The Batman you've got a late 20s early 30s Joker with a mid 20s to early 30s Batman.

I think if there's any more Justice League content you can maybe have Pattinson switch in for Affleck but even that would be a tough sell so I'm not sure how the former DCU is going to work going forward unless they bring Affleck back. But what I'm sure of, as I write this on the fly, I don't think there's any way to switch Phoenix into Pattinson's continuity to switch Poulter out. It just doesn't make sense.

I think ultimately we have to regard Phoenix's Joker as existing in his own continuity. Which might require the casting of a third Batman actor if they really want to milk this continuity.

Isn't there really 4 or 5 with the two actually really good Joker's in the Gotham series?

 

[Spring in Fialta]

Her acting ability, while playing a singer, has surprised me but ya still not something I am interested in watching if true.

I think she sucks the air out of whatever she ever does.

 

[tarheelhockey]

 

[HanSolo]

Isn't there really 4 or 5 with the two actually really good Joker's in the Gotham series?

Never watched Gotham so that Joker doesn't exist to me. I genuinely don't know, without looking it up, who even plays him. I mean if we extrapolate to TV then you can make the argument for Mark Hamill's voice performance.

 

[Big Poppa Puck]

What in the actual f***...

 

[izzy]

i bet its gonna rock

 

[discostu]

i bet its gonna rock

It could go either way, but it will be interesting at the very least. I was indifferent to this before, but it's piqued my curiosity.

My initial impression when they announced the sequel was that those involved were probably looking for a sizable paycheck, and, honestly, I can't blame them. But, if they're going in this direction, they're clearly willing to take a big swing here.

 

[Osprey]

Jack Nicholson channelling his inner Mick Jagger while dressed as a clown is a pretty low bar to be setting for "the best Joker ever"

This is basically unwatchable as an adult

That one scene doesn't look so bad now compared to potentially a whole movie of that, does it?

 

[Bowski]

Been there, done that. Another reboot of a classic?

I'll pass.

 

[x Tame Impala]

It being a musical at least gives it a shot to be genuine and interesting. I couldn’t see that if it were a regular movie. Maybe still stupid but there’s more hope now.

Maybe Phillips is actually a genius and Phoenix sings his balls off