Proposal: Johnson (TB) for Fowler (ANA) + 2nd.

[Nordic*]

This would be beneficial for both teams, or nah?

Click to read more...

 

[Rebuilt]

I would do that from a Tampa POV.

 

[Ducks Nation*]

Lets do it

 

[JoeIsAStud]

I would think the Ducks say no, because that deal really does nothing to help them with their salary cap problems. They need to move Fowler so they can sign Lindholm. This deal saves them less than 700K

 

[Marc the Habs Fan]

Anaheim doesn't need another right-handed center either.

 

[Hammettf2b]

Don't think that saves enough of the Ducks cap space.

 

[tjs*]

Lightning don't need another LHD and can't protect him in the expansion draft without losing Koekkoek whose potential we're rather high on. Just doesn't work for us.

 

[crowi]

Johnson is worth more, but this does nothing to help Ducks.

 

[2020 Cup Champions]

Tampa says no.

 

[Rebuilt]

Lightning don't need another LHD and can't protect him in the expansion draft without losing Koekkoek whose potential we're rather high on. Just doesn't work for us.

I disagree. Johnson is an RFA looking for a major raise next year along with Palat and I feel Fowler to be a far superior guy than Keokeok.

If it means that much, then I expose Stralman to protect Keokeok and Fowler. Hes on the wrong side of 30 and in the long run would be the right move. Or trade him at the deadline or whatever. Look at the bright side. If they snag Stralman it means they have to pass on Coburn whom is on a sweetheart deal himself.

Fowler for Johnson is a move too good to ignore in my opinion.

 

[Rebuilt]

Tampa says no.

You mean YOU say no.

 

[Volodya Krutov]

No from TB. They would consider trading Johnson only if they're forced to and that trade makes them worse, leaving a glaring hole at center on the 2nd line.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

This would be beneficial for both teams, or nah?

How would Johnson benefit Anaheim? Johnson makes $3.333 million and Fowler makes $4 million can't see how this make sense for both clubs. Tampa takes on more cap and Anaheim has a budget and this only clears like $667,000 for Anaheim not enough to sign Rakell and Lindholm. Besides Tampa needs more RHD then LHD like Fowler.

 

[dechire]

How would this benefit Tampa ? By opening a giant hole in the roster in exchange for a position that's already filled ?

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I would do that from a Tampa POV.

Yzerman wouldn't, Tampa takes on $667,000 or something like that needing to sign Kucherov Tampa doesn't have the cap and Tampa doesn't need a LHD they more or less need RHD.

 

[tjs*]

Also it's highly questionable how good Stamkos is going to be going forward and at the moment we don't have another true top six (much less first line-caliber) center after Johnson (Point will probably get there but he needs a little more seasoning, and Namestnikov has the potential but has yet to show he can reach it.) Unless we picked up a center in a separate deal this would severely damage our depth at the position. Meanwhile Fowler would be at best a 3D for us with Hedman cemented on the left side of the top pairing. Nothing against the guy but we just need Johnson more than we do Fowler.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

I disagree. Johnson is an RFA looking for a major raise next year along with Palat and I feel Fowler to be a far superior guy than Keokeok.

If it means that much, then I expose Stralman to protect Keokeok and Fowler. Hes on the wrong side of 30 and in the long run would be the right move. Or trade him at the deadline or whatever. Look at the bright side. If they snag Stralman it means they have to pass on Coburn whom is on a sweetheart deal himself.

Fowler for Johnson is a move too good to ignore in my opinion.

Why would Anaheim do this? Anaheim is a budget team that needs to shed salary to sign Rakell and Lindholm that pretty much came out. Johnson makes $3.333 million and Fowler makes $4 million so Anaheim sheds $667,000 how does this let them sign Lindholm and Rakell and besides Anaheim doesn't need another Center like Johnson. This deal makes very little sense for either club.

 

[tjs*]

I disagree. Johnson is an RFA looking for a major raise next year along with Palat and I feel Fowler to be a far superior guy than Keokeok.

If it means that much, then I expose Stralman to protect Keokeok and Fowler. Hes on the wrong side of 30 and in the long run would be the right move. Or trade him at the deadline or whatever. Look at the bright side. If they snag Stralman it means they have to pass on Coburn whom is on a sweetheart deal himself.

Fowler for Johnson is a move too good to ignore in my opinion.

With our cap situation we need guys who can overachieve on cheap contracts; Koekkoek fits that description. Fowler might be better right now, and he might even be better in the long run, but he's not $3M better than Koekkoek and that's what matters to us right now. And if we expose Stralman instead we're left with Sustr as our only RHD - no way we do that.

 

[dechire]

With our cap situation we need guys who can overachieve on cheap contracts; Koekkoek fits that description. Fowler might be better right now, and he might even be better in the long run, but he's not $3M better than Koekkoek and that's what matters to us right now. And if we expose Stralman instead we're left with Sustr as our only RHD - no way we do that.

Plus there's the fact that if we expose our #2 D we won't have a #2 D anymore and those are sort of important to have

 

[Nordic*]

For Fowler they need a top-6er. Not many top-6ers that Fowler would bring back, make less than 3 mill.

It's Bieksa or Stoner that needs to be dealt to clear cap.

 

[tjs*]

Plus there's the fact that if we expose our #2 D we won't have a #2 D anymore and those are sort of important to have

Exactly, and especially when that #2D is signed to a reasonable deal for the next three years. Unless he simply isn't the same player after last season's injury we aren't going to replace Stralman without either an increase in price or a decrease in performance. This proposed deal creates two major holes at 1/2C and 2D and increases our cap hit this season while doing nothing to fill any weaknesses on our team.

 

[HoseEmDown]

This doesn't benefit either team. Anaheim doesn't save anything in real dollars and Fowlers cap doesn't help Tampa. The only way this makes sense for Tampa is if we could trade Fowler for futures to free up capspace but we could do that with Johnson.

 

[NotYou]

Two teams that need cap space trading with each other to clear cap space probably won't work well

 

[Rebuilt]

How would this benefit Tampa ? By opening a giant hole in the roster in exchange for a position that's already filled ?

We got guys who can fill the C spot. Not as good as johnson but we do nonetheless. Besides, without Kucherov, this whole line of logic is irrelevant. Neither Johnson or Palat are nearly as good without him.

Yzerman wouldn't, Tampa takes on $667,000 or something like that needing to sign Kucherov Tampa doesn't have the cap and Tampa doesn't need a LHD they more or less need RHD.

Not too sure you can speak for Yzerman but this $667k you do speak of is not making or breaking anyone nor the difference for Kucherov. The odds of Johnson being in tampa next year for the money he wants is also a fantasy. We cant even get Kucherov signed, let alone Johnson and Palat.

With our cap situation we need guys who can overachieve on cheap contracts; Koekkoek fits that description. Fowler might be better right now, and he might even be better in the long run, but he's not $3M better than Koekkoek and that's what matters to us right now. And if we expose Stralman instead we're left with Sustr as our only RHD - no way we do that.

Did you not read in the very post of mine you captioned we have Braydon Coburn? Hes a RHD. To expose Stralman means we keep Coburn. If we protect Stralman we still expose Coburn. We might as well protect Koekkoek and Fowler and just expose both Stralman and Coburn and keep whomever they dont pick.

Stralman is a year younger and slightly better but Coburn is no slouch and is cheaper.

I feel that we cant hang onto all our guys and if we can jettison Johnson for Fowler now before Johnson demands his 6 mil or whatever, we win long term.

Disagree all you want but thats what I honestly believe.

 

[MessierII]

^
^
^

Coburn is not a right handed D.