In Memoriam Johnny Gaudreau & Matthew Gaudreau killed by drunk driver while cycling (MOD WARNING. No Flaming, Trolling, or Politics.)

[majormajor]

In day to day life, outside of a vehicle, these are probably all nice people, but behind the wheel they become something else.

This is a better illustration of my point:



I don't know if folks realize how different our behavior is, and how absurd it is, once we get behind the wheel. Now the killer, Sean M. Higgins, seems like more thoroughly a bad guy. But so many people, who are lovely nice people when they're not behind the wheel, end up doing the same stuff.

 

[tarheelhockey]

This is a better illustration of my point:



I don't know if folks realize how different our behavior is, and how absurd it is, once we get behind the wheel. Now the killer, Sean M. Higgins, seems like more thoroughly a bad guy. But so many people, who are lovely nice people when they're not behind the wheel, end up doing the same stuff.

It’s not cars that do it, but anonymity. Virtually everyone you see in your car is a stranger with no way to track you down.

Exact same behavior happens on the internet.

In both cases, the behavior changes dramatically when people are dealing with someone who knows them.

 

[wraithsonwings]

I can’t find newer numbers than these from 2015 but Canada has the US beat here.


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Infographic: The Worst Countries In The World For Drunk Driving

This chart shows the percentage of road accident deaths involving alcohol in 2015 (selected countries).

www.statista.com

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https://www.thestar.com/news/canada/canada-tops-list-of-developed-countries-for-rate-of-impaired-driving-fatalities/article_eec511cf-7d73-5f03-8aec-2cc5055e5dd5.html

That's disturbing, but also nearly a decade ago. I don't know how relevant it is.
Although, covid did cause an uptick... be interesting to see something recent.

 

[Paper]

HIm turning down a 35 year plea deal is mo surprise. At his age that is virtually a life sentence. He will probably get 15 years which seems right. And make no mistake. If Gaudreau was not a superstar nhl player that plea would have been about 15 years. That in itself is another huge problem with the law that needs to be fixed.

There's hundreds of examples across the States of DUIs fatalities that result in limited or even no jail time. If it wasn't for the publicity, he almost certainly gets offered far less than 15 years even.

MSN

A Sussex County man who admitted driving drunk when his pickup collided with an SUV, killing a teenage driver days before graduation, has been sentenced to six months in jail, authorities said Monday.

Brian Weiss, 45, of Wantage, was sentenced Dec. 13, 2024, after pleading guilty to third-degree strict liability vehicular homicide for the crash that killed Jonathan Fett, 18, also of Wantage, according to the Sussex County Prosecutor’s Office.


Prosecutors said Weiss had a blood-alcohol content level of .14% when the SUV he was driving collided with Fett’s vehicle on June 13, 2021. The legal limit for driving in New Jersey is .08%.

'This was not a mistake, this was a choice': Son gives testimony in fatal Morristown crash

Phillip Walker II, of Bernardsville, admitted he drove drunk in 2021 and crashed his Porsche into a Jeep, leading to the death of Diana Yannotti.

www.dailyrecord.com

Walker listened to Yannotti's impassioned speech as his lip quivered just minutes before Judge Stephen Taylor, a state Superior Court judge in Morris County, handed the 36-year-old his sentence on charges of vehicular homicide and aggravated assault. Walker, who pleaded guilty to the charges in November in a heavily negotiated deal with prosecutors, will serve roughly five years before he is eligible for parole. Prosecutors say Walker's blood alcohol content was over double the legal limit of .08% when his Porsche Cayenne careened into the rear of Jeep Cherokee, causing the SUV to crash into a ditch.

Walker also admitted to a weapons offense after police found a 9mm handgun with hollow point bullets and high-capacity magazines in the car's trunk.

Ex-cop gets 5 years for killing man in drunk driving crash, trying to cover it up

Louis A. Santiago, 26, of Bloomfield, previously admitted in a guilty plea that he caused the crash that killed 29-year-old Garfield resident Damian Dymka, officials said.

www.nj.com

A former police officer who fatally struck a man while driving drunk on the shoulder of the Garden State Parkway and attempted to cover up the crime scene has been sentenced to five years in prison, Acting Essex County Prosecutor Theodore N. Stephens II said.

Louis A. Santiago, 26, of Bloomfield, previously admitted in a guilty plea that he caused the crash that killed 29-year-old Garfield resident Damian Dymka, officials said. The former Newark Police officer pleaded guilty to reckless vehicular homicide, desecrating human remains, official misconduct and driving under the influence.

These guys had additional offenses beyond just the accident, and they'll be spending 5 years in jail.

 

[tarheelhockey]

There's hundreds of examples across the States of DUIs fatalities that result in limited or even no jail time. If it wasn't for the publicity, he almost certainly gets offered far less than 15 years even.

MSN

'This was not a mistake, this was a choice': Son gives testimony in fatal Morristown crash

Phillip Walker II, of Bernardsville, admitted he drove drunk in 2021 and crashed his Porsche into a Jeep, leading to the death of Diana Yannotti.

www.dailyrecord.com

Ex-cop gets 5 years for killing man in drunk driving crash, trying to cover it up

Louis A. Santiago, 26, of Bloomfield, previously admitted in a guilty plea that he caused the crash that killed 29-year-old Garfield resident Damian Dymka, officials said.

www.nj.com

These guys had additional offenses beyond just the accident, and they'll be spending 5 years in jail.

Granted it involves a 17 year old and sentences are lighter for minors, but a Tik-Tok’er in Florida just got 12 years for killing SIX people when he slammed into them at 151mph while showing how fast he could drive for his channel.

SIX people.

(but they were farm workers, so)

 

[Memento]

Check out the story of Kyren Lacy

Or even Khyree Jackson, Isaiah Hazel, and Anthony Lytton Jr. Three kids (Jackson was just drafted by the Minnesota Vikings, and the other two were his high school teammates. None of them were over twenty-four years old.) whose car got hit by someone driving drunk. They died. The drunk driver lived.

Or a friend of mine who was killed by a drunk driver who had numerous offenses, ran a red light on a suspended license, and killed one of the kindest women I knew, a mother of three.

If someone wants to drink themselves stupid or destroy things in a rage in their own house with nobody around, that's their prerogative, but the second they do that shit on the road and get someone hurt or worse, that is un-f***ing-forgivable.

 

[Nathaniel Skywalker]

There's hundreds of examples across the States of DUIs fatalities that result in limited or even no jail time. If it wasn't for the publicity, he almost certainly gets offered far less than 15 years even.

MSN

'This was not a mistake, this was a choice': Son gives testimony in fatal Morristown crash

Phillip Walker II, of Bernardsville, admitted he drove drunk in 2021 and crashed his Porsche into a Jeep, leading to the death of Diana Yannotti.

www.dailyrecord.com

Ex-cop gets 5 years for killing man in drunk driving crash, trying to cover it up

Louis A. Santiago, 26, of Bloomfield, previously admitted in a guilty plea that he caused the crash that killed 29-year-old Garfield resident Damian Dymka, officials said.

www.nj.com

These guys had additional offenses beyond just the accident, and they'll be spending 5 years in jail.

Yeah. That is something I will never agree with. A human life is a human life. Whether you can shoot a puck or your a janitor.

 

[Mike C]

Or even Khyree Jackson, Isaiah Hazel, and Anthony Lytton Jr. Three kids (Jackson was just drafted by the Minnesota Vikings, and the other two were his high school teammates. None of them were over twenty-four years old.) whose car got hit by someone driving drunk. They died. The drunk driver lived.

Or a friend of mine who was killed by a drunk driver who had numerous offenses, ran a red light on a suspended license, and killed one of the kindest women I knew, a mother of three.

If someone wants to drink themselves stupid or destroy things in a rage in their own house with nobody around, that's their prerogative, but the second they do that shit on the road and get someone hurt or worse, that is un-f***ing-forgivable.

Amen brother!

 

[CarolinaBlueJacket]

These days Driving While Angry is a huge problem. Higgins was 0.087 if I remember which means he was not blinding drunk. His problem was impatient which is usually done sober.
The following does not apply to everyone and not all the time for those who do it...
I like @majormajor post showing how differently people act in cars than in person. I don't think this is due to people being strangers and the anonimity that goes with that. Strangers in lines don't usually behave like this. Our brain interprets other cars as objects, not as people. When we see them as cars instead of people then they become things that are in our way and our brains justify doing whatever it takes to win. Add in how fast things move when you are in a car and these types of situations will happen.

 

[Paper]

Granted it involves a 17 year old and sentences are lighter for minors, but a Tik-Tok’er in Florida just got 12 years for killing SIX people when he slammed into them at 151mph while showing how fast he could drive for his channel.

SIX people.

(but they were farm workers, so)

It's over a decade ago, and also involving a minor, but Ethan Couch of the "affluenza defense" got probation despite having a BAC of 0.24 along with other drugs, killing four people and injurying numerous more (including a passenger who is fully paralyzed).

He would still f*** it up and get caught partying with drugs and alcohol in violation of his probation and served a whopping...2 years in jail.

Drunk driving Texas teen Ethan Couch gets probation

A wealthy Texas teenager who killed four pedestrians while driving intoxicated is sentenced to probation, prompting angry reactions.

www.bbc.com

 

[Paper]

Getting off topic, but honestly, wtf is wrong with Texas? Half of the search results of DUI's resulting in death that don't lead to jail time (or minimal) seem to be from there. I thought Canada was light on DUI fatalities.

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CORPUS CHRISTI, Texas — Sarah Hoss, the woman accused of the wrong-way DWI death of a motorcyclist in 2022, began part of her jail term Monday after pleading guilty to the crime in June.
Hoss began serving 60 days straight in the Nueces County Jail earlier this week. After that time is up, she will be released into the custody of the adult probation department to determine when she can serve the remaining 90 days. That time will not need to be done consecutively.

https://www.star-telegram.com/news/local/crime/article278376899.html

Elizabeth Stratton was sentenced to 10 years’ probation, as she and Tarrant County prosecutors agreed to a plea deal that Shorter’s family called insulting, “disrespectful to the loss of life” and a mockery of the justice system.

Woman sentenced to 10 years probation after taking plea deal in fatal drunk-driving crash

A woman facing charges for a fatal drunk-driving crash was sentenced to 10 years of probation after taking a plea deal in court on Tuesday. The case goes back to 2019, when Gavin Walence was killed. According to court records, Violetta Martinez was driving on I-35 when she crashed into Walence's...

www.ksat.com

A woman facing charges for a fatal drunk-driving crash was sentenced to 10 years of probation after taking a plea deal in court on Tuesday

Wood County man given jail time, probation for drunk-driving death of 8-year-old daughter

Brant Lee McGinnis was ordered to 180 days concurrent jail time and 10 years probation after pleading guilty to a DUI incident that left his 8-year-old daughter dead.

www.kltv.com

HOPKINS COUNTY, Texas (KLTV) - Brant Lee McGinnis was ordered to 180 days concurrent jail time and 10 years probation after pleading guilty to a DUI incident that left his 8-year-old daughter dead.

Harris County man will go back to jail every year on anniversary of fatal crash

By Jessica Willey Click here for updates on this story HARRIS COUNTY, Texas (KTRK) — A Harris County man who was driving drunk when he crashed his car and killed his two teen passengers has to go back to jail every year on the anniversary of the deadly crash. Jaggar Smith, who was 17 at

ktvz.com

In late August, he pleaded guilty. The state wanted a 15-year prison sentence. But this week, Judge Josh Hill sentenced Smith to 10 years probation and 120 days in jail, to be broken up.

According to court records, Smith has to serve 40 days starting on June 15, 2024, and another 40 days on June 15, 2025. Then, on July 25 of every year beginning in 2026 until 2033, Smith is required to turn himself into the Harris County Jail and serve five days. Smith’s driver’s license will also be suspended for a year.

No jail time again for repeat DWI offender who caused death of unborn child, documents show

A repeat DWI offender has been given probation again for driving around Houston’s streets while under the influence of alcohol, according to court documents.

www.click2houston.com

The document states that Kurtz had been drinking and was operating her husband’s truck, which she did not frequently drive. As Kurtz was driving home in the rain, she lost control of the truck and collided with another vehicle that was driven by the pregnant woman.

The mother went into labor early and the baby died. The document states Kurtz accepted full responsibility for her actions and pleaded guilty. The case was not finalized until 2011, at which time a judge sentenced her to five years of probation. Kurtz was successfully discharged from that probation in 2016 after completing all of her requirements.

Waco woman gets probation in drunken driving crash that killed mother of four

A Waco woman whose 2020 drunken driving crash killed the mother of four children was placed on felony probation.

www.kwtx.com

WACO, Texas (KWTX) - A Waco woman whose 2020 drunken driving crash killed the mother of four children was placed on felony probation Tuesday and jailed for 90 days as a condition of her suspended prison sentence.

Judge Susan Kelly of Waco’s 54th State District Court accepted the plea bargain between Sandra Nicole Mashek, 28, and the McLennan County District Attorney’s Office and sentenced Mashek, the mother of three children, with one due Oct. 22, to 10 years felony probation. She was taken into custody after the sentencing hearing.

https://myrgv.com/local-news/2023/09/29/edinburg-woman-gets-probation-for-fiery-fatal-mcallen-dwi-crash/

30-year-old Edinburg woman received 10 years probation Friday morning for driving 111 mph while drunk and hitting and killing a man who was “burned beyond recognition.”

 

[JMCx4]

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