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Rehabguy said:
Saw this, but please explain this to me. How does one team's ridiculous foolish offer justify your lesser but still foolish offer? If San Jose offered 10 million for Leo Komarov would you offer him 8 mil per year thinking it was the right move at the time? I think a smart GM would assess his team's needs and go no higher than what he was able to intelligently afford. I don't think Dubas did that and got caught up in all the hype. Just my 2 cents but I was just interested to see how JT was doing on the Leafs and this caught my eye.
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It wasn't just 1 team offering big money
 
I don’t think we need a full rewind back to July 1, 2018 with justification for why we signed Tavares. It was an impact move and a statement signing by an organization on the up and up and we saw a great first season out of him.

So going forward we need the defensively evolved version of Tavares and a level of 5 on 5 offensive play that is closer to that than what we are seeing currently and PPG ish production.

What won’t be so hot is if he declines into a 60ish point center who looks behind the play and either impeded by injury or premature decline. It’s not so much that he’s awful as that won’t be enough mileage out of the $11 million. And in a cap world that’s the difference between possibly contending or falling short without the ability to make the finishing upgrades.
 
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Volcanologist said:
And this is absolutely fair. Tavares hasn't been at that level since his injury/new kids, that's for sure.

In order for the Leafs cap distribution to work, we need the Tavares line to be a second #1 line. that's the advantage we're supposed to be having on a nightly basis.

It's games like last night that highlight the relative struggles of that line this season, when your top 2 guys aren't dominating.

Perhaps a new linemate can spark them. We know Dubas is looking for just that, among other things.
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This post perfectly sums it up regarding Tavares - very well said.

Tavares is struggling to be a #2C right now, even though he's getting paid to be a #1A or #1B.

The Leafs need him to be significantly better if they have any hope in the post-season.
 
weird points to make after having one of his best games of the season.. he was out best player last night.

also im not sold on the tavares and nylander pairing. I get it that its keefes best option but they havnt played well at all 5 on 5 this year.
 
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Dekes For Days said:
Actually, statistics are capturing a lot of the significant impact he's having. The problem is that many ignore everything except raw points.

Tavares is on a UFA contract... He's not supposed to be as good as Matthews/Marner.
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If he is not supposed to be as good as those 2 why is he being paid like them
 
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media last night and today (cj, ferrero) finally talking about JT saying you need more from your 11m 2nd center than good checking. took forever for them to start talking about his subpar play. i love JT but hes been pretty abysmal this past year.
 
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Confucius said:
Ask the GM... I don't know many people that work under contract that return money to their company at the end of the year.
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I’m not saying the 11 million is Tavares fault. Of course he is going to try to squeeze as much as he can from them. The fault is with Dubas for giving it to him
 
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Racer88 said:
I’m not saying the 11 million is Tavares fault. Of course he is going to try to squeeze as much as he can from them. The fault is with Dubas for giving it to him
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Well then it shouldn't be used against him in a JT thread. If you have an issue with his play how much he is being paid shouldn't be an issue. The issue about pay should be brought up in a Dubas thread.
 
Stringer Bell said:
Sucks to say, as it is pretty much unacceptable given what Tavares alone is supposed to be able to do...but if you want that line to produce regularly right now I think you need to take Hyman and basically staple him there. Hyman is the only player who can force that line to be better on a regular basis than they've been.

Throw Galchenyuk up on the top line for a game or two to see if there is any connection whatsoever that can be made with Marner/Matthews. And move Simmonds for now up with Engvall and Mik to maintain that checking line.

4th line I have all the trust in the world for Spezza right now.

Thoughts? Sucks to say but staple Hyman to that line for now in my opinion.
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Why put Hyman on that line?

Tavares' line had 3-5 point blank scoring chances robbed.
Galchenyuk is a good fit for that line, they've only played 3 games togeather with him.

Galchenyuk can pass really well and his shot is quite decent.
 
Rehabguy said:
Saw this, but please explain this to me. How does one team's ridiculous foolish offer justify your lesser but still foolish offer? If San Jose offered 10 million for Leo Komarov would you offer him 8 mil per year thinking it was the right move at the time? I think a smart GM would assess his team's needs and go no higher than what he was able to intelligently afford. I don't think Dubas did that and got caught up in all the hype. Just my 2 cents but I was just interested to see how JT was doing on the Leafs and this caught my eye.
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Hindsight is 20/20.

At that time, Tavares was a 2-Way center, Putting up 40 goals and 40 assists on a terrible NYI team.
He was labelled a 1C by all standards.

Look at Pittsburgh's 1-2 of Crosby/Malkin. It won them many cups. That's what the Leafs were trying to emulate.

Upon arrival of Tavares, he nearly scored ~50 goals in year 1.
No one could anticipate his offensive decline this early. But, one thing to consider: he's currently playing the best defense of his career (his defensive play is extremely underrated).
He isn't bad by any means, but, he isn't the bonafide, high scoring, 1C he once was. However, he'll still be the #1C on a lot of teams right now.
 
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Confucius said:
Well then it shouldn't be used against him in a JT thread. If you have an issue with his play how much he is being paid shouldn't be an issue. The issue about pay should be brought up in a Dubas thread.
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I’m not sure if the two issues can be separated. If he was making 6 million his play would not be an issue
 
Dekes For Days said:
Literally everybody involved.

Based on what, exactly?
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Based on his lack of scoring and his general contribution.
Dam near everyone is talking about Tavares not being worth his contract right now and almost nobody is excusing that he was a UFA because in the scheme of things it is totally irrelevant. What is irrelevant is that in a cap world you need to get value out of every dollar and if you truly believe that Tavares is giving us the same value as the comparable players making that kind of money then we will have to disagree on this
 
Racer88 said:
Based on his lack of scoring and his general contribution.
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This seems to be intentionally vague. He's actually scoring decently and contributing even more, so... relative to what? What measure are you using?
nobody is excusing that he was a UFA because in the scheme of things it is totally irrelevant
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Except it's not irrelevant. It's an important factor in the type of contract he got.
if you truly believe that Tavares is giving us the same value as the comparable players
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There's quite a few red flags evident in terms of you understanding who his comparable players are in the first place, considering that you have started off by falsely claiming the type of contract he has doesn't matter...
 
Dekes For Days said:
This seems to be intentionally vague. He's actually scoring decently and contributing even more, so... relative to what? What measure are you using?

Except it's not irrelevant. It's an important factor in the type of contract he got.

There's quite a few red flags evident in terms of you understanding who his comparable players are in the first place, considering that you have started off by falsely claiming the type of contract he has doesn't matter...
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Problem is , you don’t seem to understand there is a salary cap,
 
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Dekes For Days said:
This seems to be intentionally vague. He's actually scoring decently and contributing even more, so... relative to what? What measure are you using?

Except it's not irrelevant. It's an important factor in the type of contract he got.

There's quite a few red flags evident in terms of you understanding who his comparable players are in the first place, considering that you have started off by falsely claiming the type of contract he has doesn't matter...
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This is your opinion and as such I respect that even though I think you are wrong.
Why don’t you enlighten me as to who you think his comparable are.
 
I’m sure Tavares is a great person but that doesn’t change the fact that he has done nothing to add success to the Leafs and in fact I would argue that he never did anything to make the Islanders better. I would further argue that the Islanders have been better since he was traded away.
The Leafs haven’t won a single round with him.
 
Year 1 1C
Year 2 1C
Year 3 2C
Year 4 2C
Year 5 2C split with Nylander
Year 6 1LW
Year 7 1LW

Sign McDavid
 
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