Player Discussion John-Jason (JJ) Peterka, RW (34th overall, 2020) -- Signed to ELC

[TheBarnIsElectric]

Since Adams brought it up today, wondering where everyone lands on bridge vs. long-term deal for him (assuming he's open to long-term)?

AFP has a bridge at 2 x $4.22M and a long-term deal at 6 x $6.62M.

Bridge all day. He can score us some points, but he's still not good defensively and he doesn't go to the net enough.

I'm not committing long term to anyone else on this team unless I am SURE I can't do better in their roles.

Worst case scenario, he turns into a really good player and you have to pay up in 3 years. I can live with that.

 

[ValJamesDuex]

Servavalli: Peterka is one of the "Malcontents" in Sabres locker room with offer sheet threat an option.

 

[GrierIsGod123]

Servavalli: Peterka is one of the "Malcontents" in Sabres locker room with offer sheet threat an option.

They should seriously go all in on Marner and then trade Peterka for a RD.

 

[Jim Bob]

They should seriously go all in on Marner and then trade Peterka for a RD.

I don't know which move is more hopium fueled: signing Marner as a UFA or trading for Brady Tkachuk.

Buffalo is a tire fire and I don't see a high end player with options wanting to come here.

It's cool that Marner is a Bills fan. But, I doubt that will factor in any meaningful way when making a decision on his next contract.

And I cannot see the Sabres giving him the 7x$15M AAV deal that it would likely take to get him to sign here.

 

[Qward]

I come in peace.
There are rumblings in Ottawa that Staois wanted JJ included in the deal between the teams. They couldnt agree on the price and that is why Ottawa got the higher pick back and then proceeded to get Zetter from the Sharks.

I am fully expecting Staois to swing back around between the end of the playoffs and the draft.

What is your position of need right now would you say and what do you want JJ to fetch?

 

[Beerz]

I come in peace.
There are rumblings in Ottawa that Staois wanted JJ included in the deal between the teams. They couldnt agree on the price and that is why Ottawa got the higher pick back and then proceeded to get Zetter from the Sharks.

I am fully expecting Staois to swing back around between the end of the playoffs and the draft.

What is your position of need right now would you say and what do you want JJ to fetch?

It would be insanely stupid for Adams to trade Peterka.

I think we got wrecked enough by Ottawa for now.

 

[TageGod]

I come in peace.
There are rumblings in Ottawa that Staois wanted JJ included in the deal between the teams. They couldnt agree on the price and that is why Ottawa got the higher pick back and then proceeded to get Zetter from the Sharks.

I am fully expecting Staois to swing back around between the end of the playoffs and the draft.

What is your position of need right now would you say and what do you want JJ to fetch?

Simple answer is either a top 6 winger, center, or top 4D. I would say Norris, but we now have him so idk.

 

[Chainshot]

 

[MarkusKetterer]

I come in peace.
There are rumblings in Ottawa that Staois wanted JJ included in the deal between the teams. They couldnt agree on the price and that is why Ottawa got the higher pick back and then proceeded to get Zetter from the Sharks.

I am fully expecting Staois to swing back around between the end of the playoffs and the draft.

What is your position of need right now would you say and what do you want JJ to fetch?

There’s only two people Ottawa has that interests me for JJ. Zub and Pinto, in that order.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

The Chad’s of the world are confused so let me clear it up for you. The reason that people are preparing offer sheets is because JJ wants a long term contract and teams know Adams doesn’t want to sign Peterka long term so they know he won’t match it.

But why doesn’t he just match it and then trade him? Well because he has no control over the contract, which will probably have trade clauses that will greatly decrease his value.

So his only option is to trade him before the offer sheets come in. If you disagree with Adams anywhere, it has to be with his decision to not sign Peterka long term, that’s basically the only decision he really has control over. I’m not sure what I’d do in Adams shoes.

I don’t think this is Peterka just asking for a trade because he hates playing in Buffalo and hates the direction of the team. It’s about money and security.

 

[Chainshot]

Trade clauses only can be placed on UFA years.

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

The Chad’s of the world are confused so let me clear it up for you. The reason that people are preparing offer sheets is because JJ wants a long term contract and teams know Adams doesn’t want to sign Peterka long term so they know he won’t match it.

But why doesn’t he just match it and then trade him? Well because he has no control over the contract, which will probably have trade clauses that will greatly decrease his value.

So his only option is to trade him before the offer sheets come in. If you disagree with Adams anywhere, it has to be with his decision to not sign Peterka long term, that’s basically the only decision he really has control over. I’m not sure what I’d do in Adams shoes.

I don’t think this is Peterka just asking for a trade because he hates playing in Buffalo and hates the direction of the team. It’s about money and security.

I agree with your last paragraph but what makes you believe Adams doesn't want to sign him long term? Every report has been that up until recently Adams has flat out had zero interest in trading him despite teams trying. That would seem to be an indication that they want to keep Peterka around long term. I think they are just not agreeing on the contract numbers, which could indeed lead to a trade. I don't think Adams is unwilling to sign him long term, though.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

I agree with your last paragraph but what makes you believe Adams doesn't want to sign him long term? Every report has been that up until recently Adams has flat out had zero interest in trading him despite teams trying. That would seem to be an indication that they want to keep Peterka around long term. I think they are just not agreeing on the contract numbers, which could indeed lead to a trade. I don't think Adams is unwilling to sign him long term, though.

Because that's the only thing that makes this whole thing make the slightest bit of sense: Adams wants to sign him on a bridge deal and Peterka wants long term. Once you plug that into the equation, everything everyone in the media has been saying about the situation makes sense. And it's a pretty simple, not uncommon situation.

The simplest answer is usually the correct one.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

Trade clauses only can be placed on UFA years.

Still, it's not easier to trade after you sign someone long term. I think it's the easiest, highest value time to trade him right now...Unless you think he'll develop into a star, of course, but then you lock him up for as long as possible.

I don't believe Adams wants to give out any of these early long term deals anymore to the kids, and I think he's skeptical that JJ will be s star. Hence sticking to the bridge deal.

 

[MOGlLNY]

fwiw Chad D article says the sides are still talking, Sabres will match any offer sheet and it most likely ends up being a "short term" deal that has Peterka going to FA (4 year deal) unless the Sabres get a homerun offer

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

fwiw Chad D article says the sides are still talking, Sabres will match any offer sheet and it most likely ends up being a "short term" deal that has Peterka going to FA (4 year deal) unless the Sabres get a homerun offer

He's been saying that for a while but it's him vs Friedmann here and I'm going with the one with a reputation. If it's a bluff by Peterka's agent, it's the most belligerent attempt at a bluff I've seen in a long time.

But with his agent, it is true true that you can never rule anything out. I like a 2-4 year deal for both sides myself.

Also, I think Adams would match an offer sheet...but would prefer a trade, if he can get decent value, because he doesn't see him as a long term piece. Hence the Friedmann reports.

 

[itwasaforwardpass]

Can anyone confirm or deny Peterka talking about NYS taxes on a German podcast? If he's bringing it up un prompted he might want more than market value to sign long term here.

Because that's the only thing that makes this whole thing make the slightest bit of sense: Adams wants to sign him on a bridge deal and Peterka wants long term. Once you plug that into the equation, everything everyone in the media has been saying about the situation makes sense. And it's a pretty simple, not uncommon situation.

The simplest answer is usually the correct one.

The reports of the team refusing to consider moving him doesn't jive with that theory but I concede that could just be part of the posturing game Peterka and the team have been playing.

 

[Doug Prishpreed]

The reports of the team refusing to consider moving him doesn't jive with that theory but I concede that could just be part of the posturing game Peterka and the team have been playing.

The only person who said the team wasn't interested in moving him just reported today that the situation has changed.

 

[MOGlLNY]

He's been saying that for a while but it's him vs Friedmann here and I'm going with the one with a reputation. If it's a bluff by Peterka's agent, it's the most belligerent attempt at a bluff I've seen in a long time.

But with his agent, it is true true that you can never rule anything out. I like a 2-4 year deal for both sides myself.

Also, I think Adams would match an offer sheet...but would prefer a trade, if he can get decent value, because he doesn't see him as a long term piece. Hence the Friedmann reports.

I could also see the Sabres giving Friedman this report from the Jarmo effect who has been known to play hardball.

“Ok we’ll call your bluff. If you want to leave so bad we’ll trade you to where WE want, you’re not dictating where you go. Or you can just sign the contract we’re offering. Because we’re just gonna match whatever is offered.”

 

[sabremike]

I could also see the Sabres giving Friedman this report from the Jarmo effect who has been known to play hardball.

“Ok we’ll call your bluff. If you want to leave so bad we’ll trade you to where WE want, you’re not dictating where you go. Or you can just sign the contract we’re offering. Because we’re just gonna match whatever is offered.”

Sabres threatening to trade JJP to another team:

 

[Fezzy126]

I could also see the Sabres giving Friedman this report from the Jarmo effect who has been known to play hardball.

“Ok we’ll call your bluff. If you want to leave so bad we’ll trade you to where WE want, you’re not dictating where you go. Or you can just sign the contract we’re offering. Because we’re just gonna match whatever is offered.”

This ^^^ is where my mind is at.

Why the f*** do we care if JJ is unhappy or wants to be traded, the kid has no rights.

If he's unhappy about team performance then get stronger and learn how to play a little defense. Also stop sucking on the power play.

If he's unhappy about NY taxes then ask for a contract structure with heavy bonuses so you're taxed according to your offseason home location rates.

I can't believe Walsh is publicizing client desires for a non-elite 23 year-old. If I were Adams I'd give him a choice between a long term FMV contract or his QO, with a "take it or leave it kid" note attached.

 

[CrazyWayne]

Can anyone confirm or deny Peterka talking about NYS taxes on a German podcast? If he's bringing it up un prompted he might want more than market value to sign long term here.

I don't know about if him bringing up taxes is legit, but if he is talking tax about his current situation he is likely at the point where they are comfortable where negotiations are going and are trying to get a little extra

In my opinion A pending ufa talking tax = guy is gone

A pending rfa = let's get this guy an extra 500k

 

[OkimLom]

I don't know about if him bringing up taxes is legit, but if he is talking tax about his current situation he is likely at the point where they are comfortable where negotiations are going and are trying to get a little extra

In my opinion A pending ufa talking tax = guy is gone

A pending rfa = let's get this guy an extra 500k

I found the podcast of this interview, but have been trying to find somewhere to translate the transcript to English so I can read what was actually said instead of relying on 2nd or 3rd hand accounts of what was talked about.

It’s in German, maybe someone here can help??

 

[Maverick41]

I found the podcast of this interview, but have been trying to find somewhere to translate the transcript to English so I can read what was actually said instead of relying on 2nd or 3rd hand accounts of what was talked about.

It’s in German, maybe someone here can help??

I am listening to it now. When I am done, I'll let you know what he said.

TLDR: Taxes were mentioned, but it wasn't a big deal.

EDIT:
The podcast was very interesting overall, but the tax thing was talked about in just a couple of sentences. It was also brought up by one of the hosts not by Peterka. The host asked him about the tax situation in NYS since they had heard about the differences in state income tax in different states and how that may be an advantage for teams in certain states like Florida.
And they asked him if that is something that players consider and take into account. And JJ's reply was that it certainly seems to have an impact for UFAs. Peterka thinks the biggest thing your looking for as an UFA is to find a spot where you are confident that you'll make the playoffs. And when a host interjected that those teams from states with lower taxes are usually among the better teams, Peterka affirmed that, but did not really go into any detail (basically he said "yeah"). He also mentioned that NYS has some of, if not the highest taxes, which is not so good (from a player's perspective).
But just from the whole tone of the conversation, it was not really a big deal, but just a bit of a tangent, that was brought up by the German hosts, because it is difficult for them to wrap their head around the whole concept with the different state taxes and how that impacts both the parity of the league and the individual players.

What I took from his comments about his contract situation:
1. He lives in Buffalo very close to the arena, and seems to like it. (He does prefer his hometown of Munich to Buffalo though)
2. He leaves the details to his agent, he doesn't really want to deal with it too much.
3. They talked about the deadlines and what would happen if they can't agree on a contract, and Peterka brought up the Nylander situation in Toronto to illustrate how these things can go.
4. But he didn't seem too worried, even if it takes some time. To translate a quote from him "The summer is long".
5. He had also talked about his contract situation when he explained why he wasn't playing at the World Championships, and from what he said there, it seems like would definitely prefer a long term contract over a bridge. Because he said about the risk of playing in the tournament without a signed deal, that going in your team might have been interested in giving you an 8-year deal, but if you play and get hurt, things might change and suddently they'll only offer you 3 years.

 

[THUNDERBURST]

Peterka is a wild card for me. Still not sure about this guy. Giving him a long-term contract for say 8 million is a stop sign for me. What if he scores 50 points next season, also doesn't play defense, doesn't play physical game, etc. And you pay him 8 million. It's either a bridge deal or a trade.