Confirmed with Link: John Hayden (C/RW) - 1 year, $750K

[The Feckless Puck]

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[XX]

Hoping it's a two way.

 

[Neighborhood Coyote]

Worth the 750 for the gamble, imo.

 

[AZviaNJ]

We've definitely became bigger and tougher together, not necessarily better.

 

[Alberta Yote]

I will be visibly unhappy when he starts taking Hayton's ice.

 

[More Cooley]

Yay

 

[moosemeister]

I will be visibly unhappy when he starts taking Hayton's ice.

Hayton has bigger problems if he can't beat him out for ice time

 

[_Del_]

I will be visibly unhappy when he starts taking Hayton's ice.

If he plays better than Hayton, you have a lot more problems than Hayden...

 

[Alberta Yote]

Yes because Coyotes' coaches have a history of giving ice to those that deserve it or need it for long term development and not giving it to their pets.

 

[_Del_]

Yes because Coyotes' coaches have a history of giving ice to those that deserve it or need it for long term development and not giving it to their pets.

We have Dvo, Stepan, Hayden competing with him for ice time right now. If he can't get top nine time, I'd rather him be in Tucson. And frankly, he's done nothing to show me that he's ready for top nine ice time.

 

[rt]

I don’t think Hayden will be playing center.

 

[MIGs Dog]

Another former Blackhawk

 

[_Del_]

I don’t think Hayden will be playing center.

Even worse for Hayton if he can't get a center spot...

 

[Alberta Yote]

We have Dvo, Stepan, Hayden competing with him for ice time right now. If he can't get top nine time, I'd rather him be in Tucson. And frankly, he's done nothing to show me that he's ready for top nine ice time.

They invested 5th overall in a guy to be a huge part of their future. They aren't making the playoffs or contending any time soon. He isn't going to learn much more in the pressbox or in the AHL if the AHL even plays. Time to sink or swim with for the year and let him learn in the big leagues on the ice. Sort of like most other teams do with their star prospects.

 

[_Del_]

Listen, Tocchet is an idiot and what they did to Hayton last year was idiotic. Chayka allowing it to happen was also idiotic.

I haven't seen anything that suggests he's ready to be penciled in for top nine minutes on an NHL club. He should have every opportunity to EARN a job and keep it on a squad that is this thin on centers. We also finally have a GM who specifically mentioned he believes in on-the-job training and development, and part of his job is to get the coach on board. I'm not really worried about Tocchet. I'm worried about Hayton.

 

[moosemeister]

Listen, Tocchet is an idiot and what they did to Hayton last year was idiotic. Chayka allowing it to happen was also idiotic.

I haven't seen anything that suggests he's ready to be penciled in for top nine minutes on an NHL club. He should have every opportunity to EARN a job and keep it on a squad that is this thin on centers. We also finally have a GM who specifically mentioned he believes in on-the-job training and development, and part of his job is to get the coach on board. I'm not really worried about Tocchet. I'm worried about Hayton.

Nope. In my honest opinion he's just another guy. Don't miss him in the lineup when he's out. He needs to start making an impact. If he needs to do it down in Tucson, so be it.

 

[XX]

There's no money to pay a 2C unless you find a swap for Goligoski, which seems extremely unlikely given the rarity of passable centers.

Tocchet will need to find a way to make Hayton work, most likely on a sheltered 2nd line with Garland and Kessel.

 

[_Del_]

If he comes into camp, looks good, is noticeable out there, then great he's got a roster spot. I'd start easing him in. Third or fourth line time. Occasional time on the PP and PK. Occasional even strength shifts with Garland or Keller or whoever to spell Stepan and Dvo who will be eating a lot of special teams time.
If he comes in lights out, no problem then he plays more minutes and probably gets better linemates.

If he comes in and is just sort of replacement level, send him to Tucson.

There's no way this signing blocks Hayton unless Hayton isn't ready.

 

[rt]

There's no money to pay a 2C unless you find a swap for Goligoski, which seems extremely unlikely given the rarity of passable centers.

Tocchet will need to find a way to make Hayton work, most likely on a sheltered 2nd line with Garland and Kessel.

Assuming Pietrangelo goes elsewhere and STL isn’t interesting in Overpaying one-dimensional types, I think @_Del_ ’s Goligoski for Bozak idea could really make sense.

 

[XX]

Assuming Pietrangelo goes elsewhere and STL isn’t interesting in Overpaying one-dimensional types, I think @_Del_ ’s Goligoski for Bozak idea could really make sense.

I don't really see the St Louis appetite for that.

 

[_Del_]

Keller-Dvo- Garland
Schmaltz-Bozak Pitlick
Crouse-Stepan- Kessel
Bunting= Hayton/Hayden- Fish

Or if we can clear Raanta's contract, we can add a better forward

 

[rt]

I don't really see the St Louis appetite for that.

Goligoski is good on the right side, can eat a ton of minutes, and plays in all situations. And he’s relatively cheap and has an expiring deal.

Bozak is the Goligoski of centers and he’s redundant in STL. They’ve got a bunch of centers. He’s good on draws and right handed but he didn’t play center a ton. They’ve got to get Thomas more opportunities despite being buried behind ROR and Schenn. Bozak dropped to 9th on EVTOI/GP, 6th on PPTOI/GO, and 5th on PKTOI/GP.

They’re extremely similar players in very similar situations. STL gets more out of Goligoski and we get more out of Bozak.

 

[_Del_]

I don't really see the St Louis appetite for that.

They've got Peron-Steen-Kryou (+Tarasenko?) on the rightside
They've got O'Reilly-Schen- Sundqvist- Thomas down the middle

They've got Parayako, Scandella, Dunn, Faulk, Bortuzzo, Gunnerson on D.

They could add 35 pts from the blueline who can play eitherside on not miss a beat with forward depth.

 

[rt]

They've got Peron-Steen-Kryou (+Tarasenko?) on the rightside
They've got O'Reilly-Schen- Sundqvist- Thomas down the middle

They've got Parayako, Scandella, Dunn, Faulk, Bortuzzo, Gunnerson on D.

They could add 35 pts from the blueline who can play eitherside on not miss a beat with forward depth.

It’s a good proposal.

Bozak and Kessel are BFFs and have had real on-ice chemistry in the past. Could be a last ditch effort to get Kessel sparked.

 

[XX]

Goligoski is good on the right side, can eat a ton of minutes, and plays in all situations. And he’s relatively cheap and has an expiring deal.

Bozak is the Goligoski of centers and he’s redundant in STL. They’ve got a bunch of centers. He’s good on draws and right handed but he didn’t play center a ton. They’ve got to get Thomas more opportunities despite being buried behind ROR and Schenn. Bozak dropped to 9th on EVTOI/GP, 6th on PPTOI/GO, and 5th on PKTOI/GP.

They’re extremely similar players in very similar situations. STL gets more out of Goligoski and we get more out of Bozak.

Goligoski isn't great at defense from the blueline in. Every team knows this. Literally no one would dial him up as any sort of substitute for Petro, and I think the Blues can do better to find a replacement given the market.

Thomas will play wing in the top 6.

I don't see it at all.