Player Discussion John Gibson
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The Midnight Burrito
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Cannot tell what this is trying to convey.
Hockey Duckie
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Took a long minute to translate it. It's team defense (xGA) and how a goalie performs (raw GA) with that defense in front of him.
Alternative: You get the same conclusion by looking at the raw GA and Sv %.
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1. The vertical listing represents xGA (expected goals allowed) situations a team puts in front of their respective goalie. The highest xGA belongs to Anaheim.
2. The pink spectrum represents the range of the xGA, where the middle is the most likely pretend result. Gibby is allowing more raw GA than the xGA,, which is probably allowing a few soft goals.
3. The black dot represents the raw GA (actual goals against).
raw GA (from ESPN)
- Gibson 180 GA (0.902 Sv %)
- Binnington 169 GA (0.892 Sv %)
- Husso 149 GA (0.899 Sv %)
- Saros 147 GA (0.917 Sv %)
- Vejmelka 174 GA (0.904 Sv %)
xGA ranking (from the twitter graphic above)
- Gibson (Anaheim)
- Saros (Nashville)
- Hart (Philly)
- Vejmelka (Arizona)
- Binnington (St. Louis)
This xGA represents the situations the goalies are put in by their respective team. Gibby is being put on an island by Anaheim. This is obvious because we lack defensive talent on our roster. The xGA and raw GA align, so Gibby is performing normally.
Saro's has the next highest xGA as Nashville also put him on an island, but Saro's play prevents more goals against. Saro is playing better than the situation his team puts him in.
Binnington has the 5th worst team in front of him with St. Louis, but he's allowing far more raw GA than the xGA. Binnington is playing slightly worse than his team's defense.
As a long time supporter and hype man of Gibson... I think the dudes broken. I don't know any other goalie that takes himself out of games between periods as much as he does. Also helps that Dostal looks like he could take the crease.
The question becomes, who would want or need him?
The question becomes, who would want or need him?
All Mighty
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The Kings and Oilers could definitely use him, but I don't think either of those deals would happen. Maybe the Devils, but it would be hard to make a deal happen with them.
MMC
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Dostal is cheap for the next 2 years but wouldn’t be surprised if Gibson is a buyout in his last year, potentially even in 2 summers. His buyout isn’t too bad
Bleak
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Unfortunately I think we just ride him as a 1A/1B until the end of the contract. I doubt any one would take him. We could potentially buy him out but I think the 1a/1b is a better scenario for us.
MMC
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The other thing that may prompt a Gibson buyout for his last year is that his last year is when Clang starts to become waiver eligible. He’s looked great so far and it wouldn’t shock me if by that time we’re running a Dostal/Clang duo
KaseMeOutside
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That "takes him self out" line is a little ridiculous. If he's hurt he's hurt, do you think he doesn't want to play against his home town team when Anaheim seems to finally have a competent team in front of him?
I was really hoping that he started out crazy on fire and that a desperate team like the Devils or Oilers gave us a great offer to eat some of the cap. Hopefully it’s not a serious injury…
Do you know any other goalies that get injured mid-game as much as Gibson? I mean, hes the only goalie I really see on a consistent basis, so maybe there are others, I just cant name any.
And Im not saying hes giving up or doesnt want to play. Hes getting injured frequently, which is why I said I think hes broken. Maybe thats an unfair assessment but Id need to see evidence to the contrary.
I have always liked and defended Gibson, but his availability puts his status into question.
AngelDuck
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He’s not as bad as many on here make him, but Dostal is better.
Gibson is a league average starting goalie at this point
Gibson is a league average starting goalie at this point
I'm not sure Dostal is better. I don't think either are excellent right now but I think they're both doing well enough.
70sSanO
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Gibson is a tough situation. He is injury prone, he has always been. Even going back to 2015 before the playoffs. And in 2017 during the playoffs.
I don’t have an answer going forward. John has put up with so many years of bad teams. He has probably faced more shots than any other goalie over the past 5 years. But he just can’t do it anymore.
It is sad, but some careers just never go like they should.
John
I don’t have an answer going forward. John has put up with so many years of bad teams. He has probably faced more shots than any other goalie over the past 5 years. But he just can’t do it anymore.
It is sad, but some careers just never go like they should.
John
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Disagree on Dostal. He has been very very good. He could establish himself as a top 10-15 goaltender by end of year IMO
Gibson is fine. Overpaid and his contract is too long for comfort. But he isn’t a liability out there. I’m fine with them sharing the net
He gives up way too many rebounds to be very very good or anywhere near a top 10 goalie.
His positioning is good and he's very calm which is a nice change but he still has plenty of work to get to that level. Which is fine, by the way. He's still young.
AngelDuck
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To be considered a top 10 goalie in the league? Better rebound control, like I said lol
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Dostal is small, so he’s vulnerable up top, and hasn’t been around long enough for teams to have much of a book on him. Too early by about a year IMO to say if he will be average or above average.
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Goalie is a volatile position, Anaheim has another good one on its roster if he's hurt then it's best for the team Dostal play. Gibson is injury prone we all know that by now
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I honestly don't think his size is a big deal. He's listed as 6-2, which I don't know if that's completely accurate, but he's plenty tall enough. I think it's more his style. He plays in a super low crouch like Quick.
Dostal honestly doesn't look much smaller in net to me than Gibson. I've seen him referred to as a smaller goalie everywhere but i never got that. He doesn't really stick out in that way to me at all.
Vipers31
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Dostal isn’t particularly tall, but he’s not really undersized, either. He’s got a similar frame and style as Shesterkin - great technical ability, terrific edgework and really high IQ, so he reads the game really well on when to challenge a shooter and when to retreat a little bit to be able to give yourself a chance even after a pass - that late 3-on-5 was a great example - you can’t play too aggressively, you can’t go down for every shooting opportunity, and you can’t leave too much net open playing on the goal line. The way he knew when to stay on his feet and when to go into the butterfly was really impressive (particularly the save on Crosby when he gave him zero room on the short-side onetimer after an extended stretch was remarkable). I personally don’t see significant rebound control issues - that criticism in general seems very vibes-based, to me, regardless of who it’s being directed at.
One reasonable reservation is that the very few top goalies in the league mainly seperate themselves over year-to-year consistency, as most guys have the basic skill to be outstanding for a few months. Whether Dostal will be able to be mentally exceptional enough to play up to his skill for long enough stretches will remain to be seen, but one has to like his body of work thus far at every level.
One reasonable reservation is that the very few top goalies in the league mainly seperate themselves over year-to-year consistency, as most guys have the basic skill to be outstanding for a few months. Whether Dostal will be able to be mentally exceptional enough to play up to his skill for long enough stretches will remain to be seen, but one has to like his body of work thus far at every level.
FlyingV09
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I could see a potential EDM trade there but we’d probably have to take Campbell back and EDM would have to significantly add to that for it to even be considered.
I’d probably just keep Gibson.
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I don’t think a Dostal/Gibson tandem the next 2-3 years is bad at all, in fact I think it’ll be above average.
Dostal’s excellent value contract makes Gibbys deal palatable
Dostal’s excellent value contract makes Gibbys deal palatable
