BLONG7
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The agent bent MB over the desk, and then drove him home!!
Mol$on is left with a funny taste...LOL
Waived: Joel Armia and Gustav Lindström waived (cleared)
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Mol$on is left with a funny taste...LOL
is that the case? I thought the NMC precluded a team from waiving a player and sending him to the minors.
In that case, it would be a buyout, and as i pointed out, that is a non-starter for now thanks to how the genius MB structured this contract. By next summer, it could be more palatable, and by the summer of 2025 it may well be necessary if he isn't on LTIR.
Unlike Parise/Suter, there is no internal discord or lack of alignment that makes Gally an off-ice distraction keeping him in the lineup and playing him 4th line minutes.
It's really a pretty simple and reasonable decision for the team to make.
My english comprehension is quite fine, thanks
bcv
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Yeah, that contract really is something else.
For someone who was vaunted as a shrewd contract negotiator by many, Bergerin really did a number on the Habs cap the last few years of his tenure.
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The Finns are the Canadians of Europe. Our own Saku Koivu was a warrior. Lehkonen is another good example.Gallagher and Pearson are Canadian...they suck because they're worn down from years of hard battles.
Armia is finish...he sucks because he doesn't care or try.
I've lived in Finland. I had a friend who told me that Armia was always a weird case because even back there he didn't play like the typical Finnish player. He had massive skills there though. Seems like most people that liked hockey knew who he was and respected his skills, but not necessarily the way that he played.
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Capfriendly now has Xhekaj being recalled and Armia assigned to Laval.
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The buyout isn't too bad, if we buy him out next summer we save 6.8m, 4.3m, 1.8m, and then have the 2m penalty for 3 years. Sure it's not ideal but it isn't going to prevent being able to build a good roster either.
Indeed... next summer a buy out is more palatable, especially with cap rising.
It's just not a good option this year, even as Gally is looking likely to keep declining from his play last season & is likely already easily replaceable in the lineup by Ylonen, Roy or Heineman.
Keeping him ahead of the waiver eligible youth for now makes sense...
I bet if his contract didn't have the NMC, there's a good chance he'd be in Laval instead of Armia right now.
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In the end a buyout will only happen if and when we need the cap space to go out and get an expensive player either via trade or UFA. Until we need the cap space we are better off waiting since the buyout becomes progressively better and there's more chance that he LTIRetires and saves us the need of a buyout.
Not sure if Armia would make the team ahead of Gally even without the NMC. There's certainly the case of Armia being a better player on the ice compared to Gally. But I could see a team seeing the "leadership" qualities as more valuable then the difference in on ice play since you are getting poor on ice results with both anyways.
If you send down Primeau, you will probably bring someone up, so it should equal itself.
You could use Wideman, but since he will come back there is no point really.
I am not sure about the latter examples. Basically when you use LTIR, it's the amount you can go over the cap space, and it is calculated every day. So if you put Heineman, he would probably be calculated at 900k, then when he goes down, you gain it back. If you add the 8M player, you would have to be below the max. because the amount divided by the days is the same.
There is also a bonus cap which I don't know how it works, but if Heineman has bonuses and it goes over the bonus cap, I believe you have to pay the whole amount for the season in cap space, so your LTIR might diminish even if you send him back down.
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Yes, I said activate Dvorak and demote Primeau (it was an example, but someone has to be demoted, right?)
Actually, there IS a point. Wideman will likely be waived when he is cleared to play. Or if Barron (or Harris) needs to go down to get playing time, then we still save the Wideman money and a bit more.
Heineman has no bonuses.
Not really.
You can put Dvorak on IR and Price on LTRI. So no need for demotion. When Dvorak comes back to play, then yes. Eventually they will gain that amount of whoever is demoted, yes. I thought you meant something else.
If you put Wideman on LTIR, when he comes back, you loose it. It does not matter if you waive him, exchange him or play him. You loose it all. If you send down someone when he is healthy, then that amount would be added I guess, but that is because you would have the Price LTIR.
Basically in both cases, the reason you gain something is because someone came back to health and is playing on the roster while they were on normal IR. So if Price gives 10 M, you put Dvorak on IR, now it is 6M. you send someone down, you gain a bit less than 1M. You also have Wideman 1M calculated already. If he comes back to health and you demote someone else, you gain 1M. You don't have to put him on LTIR first since Price covers his salary. All it would do is make the max 7M temporarily until he comes back and then it would go back to 6M.
The only reason to do that might be if you add a 7M salary before he comes back. Then he comes back, you loose 1M, then demote and gain 1M and you would be at max. It's of course unlikely Hugues will fetch such a contract, so more than likely, he will just stay on IR.
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No, but the structure of the contract pretty much prevents a buyout.
WeThreeKings
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I don't think it's as simple as that though.
Gallagher is a proud guy and he'll probably want to keep on playing.
Him not being able to keep up with the pace anymore is not a good enough justification to put him on Robidas Island.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
When was the last time he played a full year? He can be proud all he wants, eventually his body won't be capable of playing.
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His pride might also keep him from continuing to embarrass himself every game by continuing to play.
The only way he lasts in this organization sadly will be on LTIR. Sad to witness
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Yes, it's not his fault. I have no hate for him.
If he continues to play like this, it's only a matter of time before he goes on LTIR, like Price and Weber. It will actually be a good ending: he was underpaid his whole prime, and now he gets this golden retirement package to make up for it. The sooner he goes on permanent LTIR, the more fair his last contract will be. Hopefully he'll see that soon.
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I disagree. There's no signing bonus in any year of his contract. His last two seasons he's getting paid less than his actual cap, I could see him getting bought out after next year :
Major savings.
They're gonna have to prove that the reason he can't play anymore is because of past injuries not healing properly, like with the cases of Weber and Price.
If he's just done, i don't think he can choose to go on LTIR.
WeThreeKings
Demidov is a HAB
It's pretty easy to do it because most doctors would advise someone with that many injuries that they shouldn't play competitive hockey.
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Which is why the "threat" of him being 14th F and having the AHL players leapfrog him to play whenever there's injuries would give him a reason to choose LTIR. The reality of sitting in the pressbox for 82 games a year would be way worse for his pride/ego then LTIR.
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Gallagher's suffered multiple serious hand injuries in his career. If he claims to be suffering from chronic pain in his hand, it would be impossible to disprove. It's certainly no less plausible than Hossa's road to LTIRetired.
i fear that this is going to be what it comes to... though i suspect he may well welcome that by this time next year. He can barely keep up out there now, another season of wear and tear (and inevitable injury, recovery, rehab) will only make it worse. Can't be much fun anymore for him, he doesn't really have any tools that translate to being effective in a diminished role.
Best case, he has a somewhat decent year this season, ends on a high note, then willingly goes the permanent LTIR route rather than suffering through the indignity of ending his NHL career as a 14th player press box fixture
