Joe Thornton: Why was he traded in his prime?

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I still remember this trade, since the Bruins were giving up a franchise player in his prime, who was the leading scorer by quite a considerable amount, to a struggling Sharks team. I've read that Bruins management were not impressed with his post-season play in 2003-04, and had doubts that he could lead the Bruins, but he instantly made San Jose a better team. Compare the records of both clubs before and after the Thornton trade:

Before the trade:

San Jose 8-11-4
Boston 8-12-5

After the trade:

San Jose: 36-16-7
Boston: 21-25-11

Thornton led the Sharks to the playoffs, and was the franchise player for the next decade. The Sharks, although underachieving in the playoffs, were often on top of the league in standings. Unfortunately, Thornton suffers from the same thing Ovechkin does, as he has yet to win the Cup, despite his impressive resume. The Bruins GM, in an interview after the 2011 season, and the Bruins cup run, remarked that he would do it all over again, even though none of the players that went to Boston were on the 2011 Cup winning team, and did little to justify the move by Boston.

So why was Thornton traded for spare parts? Is there more to the story as to why he was dealt?
 
I think his performance in the 2004 playoffs was the beginning of the end for him in Boston. He went pointless in 7 games, and the team was upset in the first round. Whether it was fair to put the blame on him was debatable as he was playing through a rib injury, but the perception of him being a playoff choker was born.

Who knows what else was going on behind the scenes, but Thornton doesn't seem like a Boston Bruin type of guy in retrospect. I mean, he's a big guy, but he might have had expectations to be more a cam neely type over there when he is in reality one of the most gifted playmakers the game has ever seen.
 
Two counts of assaulting a police officer will get you traded.

Thornton was arrested in May 2003. He was traded in late November 2005, that is over 30 months later, and enough time for the general public to forget the incident. Besides, he did sign a 3 year/$20 million contract with the Bruins in the summer of 2015. The incident didn't even occur anywhere near Boston, and if the Bruins were going to trade him, I would imagine it would ahve been before the 2003-04 season began.
 
At the end of the day, it was a snap decision after a lot of lead up...my recollection of it, that I am not fact checking right away, but I think I recall the jist of it...

Obviously all lead up, the cop, the 04 playoffs, even being beaten out of his power forward game, that's all there...the Bruins played the Devils on what some would call national TV that night (OLN, now NBCSN)...I think it was 11/26/05 or thereabouts...there's less than a minute left in a tie game, John Madden beats Thornton clean on a faceoff in JT's defensive zone...the puck goes back to Rafalski (?) and gets snapped right into the net...Bruins lose. Bruins management snaps, they start calling anyone that ever asked about Thornton and make a deal out of anger...they get not **** for him at 11 pm one weekday night...they call Joe and tell him at dinner he has been traded...the next day, about half of the league's GMs say "boy...had I known he was available, I would have given up way more for him..."
 
I still remember this trade, since the Bruins were giving up a franchise player in his prime, who was the leading scorer by quite a considerable amount, to a struggling Sharks team. I've read that Bruins management were not impressed with his post-season play in 2003-04, and had doubts that he could lead the Bruins, but he instantly made San Jose a better team. Compare the records of both clubs before and after the Thornton trade:

Before the trade:

San Jose 8-11-4
Boston 8-12-5

After the trade:

San Jose: 36-16-7
Boston: 21-25-11

Thornton led the Sharks to the playoffs, and was the franchise player for the next decade. The Sharks, although underachieving in the playoffs, were often on top of the league in standings. Unfortunately, Thornton suffers from the same thing Ovechkin does, as he has yet to win the Cup, despite his impressive resume. The Bruins GM, in an interview after the 2011 season, and the Bruins cup run, remarked that he would do it all over again, even though none of the players that went to Boston were on the 2011 Cup winning team, and did little to justify the move by Boston.

So why was Thornton traded for spare parts? Is there more to the story as to why he was dealt?

Mike O'Connell was the GM who traded Joe, he was fired in 06. Pete Chiarelli was GM in 2011, so who made the comment after the cup? Chiarelli had zero to do with the trade, he was with the Sens when that trade was made. O'Connell was hiding under a rock somewhere by 2011
 
the next day, about half of the league's GMs say "boy...had I known he was available, I would have given up way more for him..."

This was the most shocking part. Not that he got traded, but what the return was. It's hard to imagine that any one of us or someone off the street couldn't have gotten more in return if we were GM.

It's still the worst trade I've ever seen in the NHL, no matter what the Bruins went on to do a few years later.
 
This was the most shocking part. Not that he got traded, but what the return was. It's hard to imagine that any one of us or someone off the street couldn't have gotten more in return if we were GM.

It's still the worst trade I've ever seen in the NHL, no matter what the Bruins went on to do a few years later.

Funny thing is Calgary did the same with Phaneuf. Word in Calgary at the time was Sutter had a Cozy relationship with Burke, and dealt Phaneuf to the Leafs for a bunch of journeymen, even though they got have got a better return if they shopped him around. May ahve had something to do with the Conroy incident.

I think it was O'Connell who stated he would ahve traded Thronton all over again, but I cannot find a link to the article at the moment, so you will just have to take my word...

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Yes it was O'Connell. Unfortunately I obtained the information off Joe Thornton's Wikipedia entry, so take it for what it's worth. It should be noted that the Thornton trade was the main reason for his dismissal in March 2006, so he may just be bitter. Here a link of the actual article with the audio:

https://web.archive.org/web/20111107021007/http://boston.cbslocal.com/2011/06/17/felger-mazz-ex-gm-mike-oconnell-glad-bruins-won-before-sharks/
 
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Mike O'Connell was trying to save his job and knew that the Jacobs' were not exactly huge fans of Joe Thornton on a personal level for various reasons I won't get into here. O'Connell was Harry Sinden's guy and protected as the Jacobs trust Harry above all else. Hence they didn't veto the trade. About the only great piece we got out of it was Andy Ference (if you follow the trade of Stuart and Primeau to Calgary.) Marco Sturm wasn't that bad for the Bruins, but got hurt and ended up not being part of the cup team.

There's no doubt O'Connell went all in on his job when he traded Thornton and when it didn't work out he fell on the sword.
 
I think his performance in the 2004 playoffs was the beginning of the end for him in Boston. He went pointless in 7 games, and the team was upset in the first round. Whether it was fair to put the blame on him was debatable as he was playing through a rib injury, but the perception of him being a playoff choker was born.

This is my recollection as well. The Bruins were knocked out in the 1st round 3 straight years and Big Joe took the bulk of the blame. He couldn't lead the team out of the first round.

Playing the trade trickle effect game of what Thornton became for the Bruins.


  • Primeau and Stuart were traded for Andrew Ference and Chuck Kobasew
  • Ference played for 7 seasons then left as a UFA
  • Kobasew played basically 2 season then = MIN Craig Weller, Alexander Fallstrom and round 2 pick in the 2011 draft (Alexander Khokhlachev)
  • All 3 yielded essentially nothing or no results
  • Sturm Played 5 Seasons and was given to LAK for futures/nothing
 
I've read that they decided that season that they wouldn't go anywhere with him leading the way, and saw Bergeron as a franchise forward who would be their "The Guy". And they were right. I only ever heard this after Bergeron had led them to a cup and another final, so maybe that was their way of justifying a horrible trade 7 years later, but in the end they would do it all over the same way. Bad trade on paper, great result.

As for the return and the fact that other GMs would have paid more - I think we can all 100% agree on that. Boston traded him rather impulsively and didn't let any kind of buzz build. It's like they took the first offer they got, and it was the perfect case of an hfboards fanboy trade coming to life where you get a 10 for a 5+3+2. That just doesn't happen in real life... except in this trade. There's supposed to be at least one asset coming to you that's a 7-8, or something with 9-10 potential. Not just three spare parts.

They probably immediately regretted this deal after sleeping on it and seeing the reaction in the hockey world, then, they managed to get to two finals and win one, then they said "see, we knew what we were doing..." and who can say for sure that they didn't?
 
The Bruins GM, in an interview after the 2011 season, and the Bruins cup run, remarked that he would do it all over again, even though none of the players that went to Boston were on the 2011 Cup winning team, and did little to justify the move by Boston.

They were different GM's. Mike O'Connell traded Thornton.

But the Bruins don't win the 2011 Cup without trading Thornton. The money to sign Zdeno Chara (and Marc Savard) was available in the budget because they dealt Thornton away. With Joe on the roster, they don't sign Chara, and if they don't sign Chara, they don't win that Cup.

So why was Thornton traded for spare parts? Is there more to the story as to why he was dealt?

They absolutely were not spare parts at the time of the deal. Brad Stuart was a very highly regarded defensemen who was just 24 years old and had just completed a 39-point season for San Jose. Marco Sturm was 25 years old and was a three time twenty goal scorer for the Sharks including a 28-goal campaign.

By no means am I saying it was a good return, even at that time, but they weren't spare parts either. Sturm and Stuart were two solid pieces to add to a core. Sturm scored 29 goals the year of the trade and rang up back to back 27 goal seasons the next two years after that and a 22-goal season his final year in Boston. He wasn't a spare part by any stretch of the imagination.
 
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I recall them taking back more salary in the three players than Thornton had made. Though, I'm sure a couple fell off before Chara (and Savard) were signed in 2007 (?). Thornton was at 6.67 mil. I think Primeau was like a buck and a quarter, Stuart was about 2.5, and Sturm signed an extension at $3.5 mil per I think. But the timing of all that was close, so I'm not sure how much money got moved around...but I recall them retaining Sturm for a not-insignificant deal, no?
 
Seems kind of funny they didn't just ask for Patrick Marleau.

This. Patrick Marleau definitely should have been the centerpiece of the return, not Brad Stuart. But this is all said in hindsight. At the time, I think they believed Patrice Bergeron was the top center of the future and they lacked a start defenceman so I can see why they chose Stuart as the centerpiece of the return instead of Marleau.
 
Loads of little factors (I think Mike Farkas laid it out pretty well from my memory), and just a bad deal overall by O'Connell.

Nearly the same situation played out again with Seguin. Questionable attitude, playoff performance issue, etc. And same crap trade result.
 
But the Bruins don't win the 2011 Cup without trading Thornton. The money to sign Zdeno Chara (and Marc Savard) was available in the budget because they dealt Thornton away. With Joe on the roster, they don't sign Chara, and if they don't sign Chara, they don't win that Cup..

Not sure why some people state that if it were not for the Thornton trade, the Bruins would never have won the Stanley Cup, when it's impossible to say either way. The bottom line is San Jose became a better team with Thornton, and Boston didn't become a better team with the return.

A decade later, a few Caps fans (in denial I assume) are making the same justification for the atrocious Erat/Forsberg trade. It somehow made Washington better.
 
Funny thing is Calgary did the same with Phaneuf. Word in Calgary at the time was Sutter had a Cozy relationship with Burke, and dealt Phaneuf to the Leafs for a bunch of journeymen, even though they got have got a better return if they shopped him around.

That's actually not true.

This may be deleted by the mods because I cannot attribute the source for this information, but here it goes:

Phaneuf was extensively shopped around the league on multiple occasions.

Darryl Sutter was extremely frustrated with Phaneuf because he felt that he had every single tool required to be a top notch defensemen but he refused to put them together.

The coaching staff, and many teammates, felt Phaneuf was a selfish player and he routinely took himself out of position to land massive hits, often at the expense of team defense. Phaneuf was well known of watching TSN hilites in the dressing room and calling over teammates to see his hits. This led to an uncomfortable confrontation in the locker room with Iginla and Daymond Langkow telling him that a particular hit led to a 2-on-1 because not only did he take himself out of position on the hit, but he also "stood over" the guy after like "Muhammad Ali." He was told, in no uncertain terms, to cut it out.

Darryl Sutter, when he coached the Flames, grew very frustrated with Phaneuf's refusal to grasp the basics of positioning and to play within his limitations (he didn't have the skating skills to get back in position when he intentionally took himself out of position.) A large mandate for the hiring of Mike Keenan was to get Phaneuf to play defense and his history with Chris Pronger was a huge part of the hire.

Very early in Keenan's tenure as the coach of the Flames, he went to Sutter and recommended that Sutter trade Phaneuf and said the kid "had a ten cent head." Sutter didn't listen and friction began to grow between the two because Sutter insisted that Phaneuf "learn on the job" and not have his ice time cut. There's a lot more stuff with Keenan/Sutter/Phaneuf, but that is a whole other can of worms. Ultimately, Keenan asked a few times for Phaneuf to be dealt and felt he was an issue on the ice but also very unpopular in the room. As far as I know, Sutter never even entertained the idea.

Later that same season Todd Bertuzzi got into with him during a game because he returned to the bench bragging about a hit and Bertuzzi told him that he abandoned his position to land the hit and that he needed to start playing for the guys on the bench instead of "the guys at TSN."

Darryl Sutter ultimately fired Keenan and hired his brother Brent to coach and again tasked him with getting Phaneuf to play defense. Brent came back, during the pre-season with the same response as Keenan, that the Flames would be a better team without Dion then they were with him because he was much more interested in his stats and his hilight reel hits than he was in playing defense. By this point, Darryl had given Phaneuf a large contract but realized that perhaps he had gone all in on the wrong hand. During the preseason, for the first time, he shopped Phaneuf around the league and was shocked to find only two teams were interested in him (in terms of a trade, there were a handful of other clubs willing to dump a contract and essentially saddle the Flames with another even less appetizing problem.) The two clubs were the LA Kings and the Toronto Maple Leafs, but the Kings offer involved a player that Sutter was very wary of taking on (not sure who it was.) Sutter wanted to give his brother more time to fix the issues because he didn't like the trade options.

Brent then tried to get through to Phaneuf. In particular, Sutter told him that a "great game" would be a game where nobody noticed him at all because he was just doing his job. This didn't sit well with Phaneuf at all because he felt he was being "held back." He also suggested that his teammates were jealous of his success (to Sutter, not to them) and Brent said the only success anybody cares about is winning a Stanley Cup, and told Dion he was nowhere near achieving that. By Christmas, the situation had become worse, his teammates at this point essentially ignored him and Brent had told Darryl (who wanted Phaneuf to get steady ice time) that he was in awkward position where he would discipline and limit ice time for other guys for bad play and he was being asked not to do that with Dion. Over the Christmas break, Darryl agreed to finally move Dion. He once again shopped him around the league and now Los Angeles was no longer interested in making a move. Sutter found this situation was now worse, a handful of teams kicked the tires but wanted the Flames to eat money and/or take on money. Brian Burke was the only General Manager willing to actually trade for him in a "hockey deal." Sutter pulled the trigger and internally considered the move addition by subtraction. When Phaneuf came and grabbed his personal effects from the locker room there was reportedly a round of applause when he left the room (something he clearly could hear from outside the door.) When the Leafs announced that summer he would be named captain of the team many of the Flames were reduced to fits of hysterical laughter because they couldn't believe such a selfish player could be handed the C.

This situation repeated itself when the Maple Leafs ultimately moved him. He was shopped around the league and from what I understand only two teams expressed any interest in him and in both cases the Leafs would end up with a lot of dead contracts. Ottawa's offer was the least troubling one.
 
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Not sure why some people state that if it were not for the Thornton trade, the Bruins would never have won the Stanley Cup, when it's impossible to say either way. The bottom line is San Jose became a better team with Thornton, and Boston didn't become a better team with the return.

I think Boston undoubtably became a better team with Chara/Savard, and that doesn't happen with Joe on the roster.

Doesn't make it a good trade - it was a horrible one - but moving out that contract and bringing in those new players set the Bruins on course for a Cup.
 
On the bright side it helped them sign Chara in 2006 with the cap space they gained, while also being able to do a quick 2-3 year rebuild and stock up for the success of 2009-present.
 
That's actually not true.

This may be deleted by the mods because I cannot attribute the source for this information, but here it goes:

Phaneuf was extensively shopped around the league on multiple occasions.

Darryl Sutter was extremely frustrated with Phaneuf because he felt that he had every single tool required to be a top notch defensemen but he refused to put them together.

The coaching staff, and many teammates, felt Phaneuf was a selfish player and he routinely took himself out of position to land massive hits, often at the expense of team defense. Phaneuf was well known of watching TSN hilites in the dressing room and calling over teammates to see his hits. This led to an uncomfortable confrontation in the locker room with Iginla and Daymond Langkow telling him that a particular hit led to a 2-on-1 because not only did he take himself out of position on the hit, but he also "stood over" the guy after like "Muhammad Ali." He was told, in no uncertain terms, to cut it out.

Darryl Sutter, when he coached the Flames, grew very frustrated with Phaneuf's refusal to grasp the basics of positioning and to play within his limitations (he didn't have the skating skills to get back in position when he intentionally took himself out of position.) A large mandate for the hiring of Mike Keenan was to get Phaneuf to play defense and his history with Chris Pronger was a huge part of the hire.

Very early in Keenan's tenure as the coach of the Flames, he went to Sutter and recommended that Sutter trade Phaneuf and said the kid "had a ten cent head." Sutter didn't listen and friction began to grow between the two because Sutter insisted that Phaneuf "learn on the job" and not have his ice time cut. There's a lot more stuff with Keenan/Sutter/Phaneuf, but that is a whole other can of worms. Ultimately, Keenan asked a few times for Phaneuf to be dealt and felt he was an issue on the ice but also very unpopular in the room. As far as I know, Sutter never even entertained the idea.

Later that same season Todd Bertuzzi got into with him during a game because he returned to the bench bragging about a hit and Bertuzzi told him that he abandoned his position to land the hit and that he needed to start playing for the guys on the bench instead of "the guys at TSN."

Darryl Sutter ultimately fired Keenan and hired his brother Brent to coach and again tasked him with getting Phaneuf to play defense. Brent came back, during the pre-season with the same response as Keenan, that the Flames would be a better team with Dion then they were with him because he was much more interested in his stats and his hilight reel hits than he was in playing defense. By this point, Darryl had given Phaneuf a large contract but realized that perhaps he had gone all in on the wrong hand. During the preseason, for the first time, he shopped Phaneuf around the league and was shocked to find only two teams were interested in him (in terms of a trade, there were a handful of other clubs willing to dump a contract and essentially saddle the Flames with another even less appetizing problem.) The two clubs were the LA Kings and the Toronto Maple Leafs, but the Kings offer involved a player that Sutter was very wary of taking on (not sure who it was.) Sutter wanted to give his brother more time to fix the issues because he didn't like the trade options.

Brent then tried to get through to Phaneuf. In particular, Sutter told him that a "great game" would be a game where nobody noticed him at all because he was just doing his job. This didn't sit well with Phaneuf at all because he felt he was being "held back." He also suggested that his teammates were jealous of his success (to Sutter, not to them) and Brent said the only success anybody cares about is winning a Stanley Cup, and told Dion he was nowhere near achieving that. By Christmas, the situation had become worse, his teammates at this point essentially ignored him and Brent had told Darryl (who wanted Phaneuf to get steady ice time) that he was in awkward position where he would discipline and limit ice time for other guys for bad play and he was being asked not to do that with Dion. Over the Christmas break, Darryl agreed to finally move Dion. He once again shopped him around the league and now Los Angeles was no longer interested in making a move. Sutter found this situation was now worse, a handful of teams kicked the tires but wanted the Flames to eat money and/or take on money. Brian Burke was the only General Manager willing to actually trade for him in a "hockey deal." Sutter pulled the trigger and internally considered the move addition by subtraction. When Phaneuf came and grabbed his personal effects from the locker room there was reportedly a round of applause when he left the room (something he clearly could hear from outside the door.) When the Leafs immediately announced that he would be named captain of the team many of the Flames were reduced to fits of hysterical laughter because they couldn't believe such a selfish player could be handed the C, let aloe a player that had never even suited up for the team.

This situation repeated itself when the Maple Leafs ultimately moved him. He was shopped around the league and from what I understand only two teams expressed any interest in him and in both cases the Leafs would end up with a lot of dead contracts. Ottawa's offer was the least troubling one.

Great story. How much of this is public? Most of it I've never heard.

This part:

When the Leafs immediately announced that he would be named captain of the team many of the Flames were reduced to fits of hysterical laughter because they couldn't believe such a selfish player could be handed the C, let aloe a player that had never even suited up for the team

isn't true though. He was given an A after 9 games, and named captain in the offseason.
 
Not sure why some people state that if it were not for the Thornton trade, the Bruins would never have won the Stanley Cup, when it's impossible to say either way. The bottom line is San Jose became a better team with Thornton, and Boston didn't become a better team with the return.

A decade later, a few Caps fans (in denial I assume) are making the same justification for the atrocious Erat/Forsberg trade. It somehow made Washington better.

I've seen fellow Caps fans do that, they are delusional.
 
That's actually not true.

This may be deleted by the mods because I cannot attribute the source for this information, but here it goes:

Phaneuf was extensively shopped around the league on multiple occasions.

Darryl Sutter was extremely frustrated with Phaneuf because he felt that he had every single tool required to be a top notch defensemen but he refused to put them together.

The coaching staff, and many teammates, felt Phaneuf was a selfish player and he routinely took himself out of position to land massive hits, often at the expense of team defense. Phaneuf was well known of watching TSN hilites in the dressing room and calling over teammates to see his hits. This led to an uncomfortable confrontation in the locker room with Iginla and Daymond Langkow telling him that a particular hit led to a 2-on-1 because not only did he take himself out of position on the hit, but he also "stood over" the guy after like "Muhammad Ali." He was told, in no uncertain terms, to cut it out.

Darryl Sutter, when he coached the Flames, grew very frustrated with Phaneuf's refusal to grasp the basics of positioning and to play within his limitations (he didn't have the skating skills to get back in position when he intentionally took himself out of position.) A large mandate for the hiring of Mike Keenan was to get Phaneuf to play defense and his history with Chris Pronger was a huge part of the hire.

Very early in Keenan's tenure as the coach of the Flames, he went to Sutter and recommended that Sutter trade Phaneuf and said the kid "had a ten cent head." Sutter didn't listen and friction began to grow between the two because Sutter insisted that Phaneuf "learn on the job" and not have his ice time cut. There's a lot more stuff with Keenan/Sutter/Phaneuf, but that is a whole other can of worms. Ultimately, Keenan asked a few times for Phaneuf to be dealt and felt he was an issue on the ice but also very unpopular in the room. As far as I know, Sutter never even entertained the idea.

Later that same season Todd Bertuzzi got into with him during a game because he returned to the bench bragging about a hit and Bertuzzi told him that he abandoned his position to land the hit and that he needed to start playing for the guys on the bench instead of "the guys at TSN."

Darryl Sutter ultimately fired Keenan and hired his brother Brent to coach and again tasked him with getting Phaneuf to play defense. Brent came back, during the pre-season with the same response as Keenan, that the Flames would be a better team with Dion then they were with him because he was much more interested in his stats and his hilight reel hits than he was in playing defense. By this point, Darryl had given Phaneuf a large contract but realized that perhaps he had gone all in on the wrong hand. During the preseason, for the first time, he shopped Phaneuf around the league and was shocked to find only two teams were interested in him (in terms of a trade, there were a handful of other clubs willing to dump a contract and essentially saddle the Flames with another even less appetizing problem.) The two clubs were the LA Kings and the Toronto Maple Leafs, but the Kings offer involved a player that Sutter was very wary of taking on (not sure who it was.) Sutter wanted to give his brother more time to fix the issues because he didn't like the trade options.

Brent then tried to get through to Phaneuf. In particular, Sutter told him that a "great game" would be a game where nobody noticed him at all because he was just doing his job. This didn't sit well with Phaneuf at all because he felt he was being "held back." He also suggested that his teammates were jealous of his success (to Sutter, not to them) and Brent said the only success anybody cares about is winning a Stanley Cup, and told Dion he was nowhere near achieving that. By Christmas, the situation had become worse, his teammates at this point essentially ignored him and Brent had told Darryl (who wanted Phaneuf to get steady ice time) that he was in awkward position where he would discipline and limit ice time for other guys for bad play and he was being asked not to do that with Dion. Over the Christmas break, Darryl agreed to finally move Dion. He once again shopped him around the league and now Los Angeles was no longer interested in making a move. Sutter found this situation was now worse, a handful of teams kicked the tires but wanted the Flames to eat money and/or take on money. Brian Burke was the only General Manager willing to actually trade for him in a "hockey deal." Sutter pulled the trigger and internally considered the move addition by subtraction. When Phaneuf came and grabbed his personal effects from the locker room there was reportedly a round of applause when he left the room (something he clearly could hear from outside the door.) When the Leafs immediately announced that he would be named captain of the team many of the Flames were reduced to fits of hysterical laughter because they couldn't believe such a selfish player could be handed the C, let aloe a player that had never even suited up for the team.

This situation repeated itself when the Maple Leafs ultimately moved him. He was shopped around the league and from what I understand only two teams expressed any interest in him and in both cases the Leafs would end up with a lot of dead contracts. Ottawa's offer was the least troubling one.

Interesting read for sure. I followed the situation too. I was a big Flames fan until the Jets returned, so I used to read up on Calgary all the time. I felt the same way watching Phaneuf play. Always taking himself out of position to land the big hit. Teams began to figure this out, and by 1998-99, he was gaining the reputation of being a "pylon" by many fans, as players would just pass or skate around him. I find the Bertuzzi story hilarious, and was well aware he wasn't winning any popularity contests, but I've heard it has nothing to do with his on ice play.

I was shocked as well that the Leafs named him captain, so they must have thought very highly of him. So it does not make sense that there was such little interest from teams, especially considering his age (24), and the fact that he had been a Norris Trophy finalist in 2008. You may want to Google the Conroy incident too. I'd rather not get into it here.

PS....Didn't Phaneuf deserve the captaincy in Toronto? After all he went to great efforts to change the radio station in practice.
 
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It makes perfect sense...not many players with such low hockey sense make it as far as Phaneuf...factor in that he not a very good skater...it's hard to believe he's carved out this type of career...but good for him...

He does seem like quite a dolt...I won't get into what I have heard about him from other NHL players and people in the show...that's not the point of this thread anyhow...but it jives with the story above in some anecdotal respects...
 
Thornton was seen as "NOT A WINNER" in Boston. The GM said as much.

I was a 29 year old and a journalist during his rooie season and - being a huge Bourque fan - went to three games that season despite living on the other side of the continent.

Like coach Burns, I was not impressed with Joe as a rookie, and he took too much responsibility for the team's lack of success so eventually I had a huge ironic laugh that he joined my boy captain Marleau in San Jose where Patty was similarly roasted by many for failings in a team game, despite individual efforts.

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