TommyDangles
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W/O Kaprizov 28 games, 14 points, -12
With Kaprizov 54 games, 46 points, +15
Proposal: JJ Peterka for Marco Rossi
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With Kaprizov 54 games, 46 points, +15
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I'm so curious how you got 54 games with Kaprizov when Kaprizov only played 41 games this season
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Here I already did this for you a few days ago so you don't need to hurt yourself doing whatever math or gymnastics you were attempting here
March is when his production fell off a cliff, as did the entire rest of the team. Independent of Kaprizov, who had only played 3 games since before Christmas by that point.
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Djp
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Di you have any clue who you are talking about
Peterka
Born jan 20, 2003
Drafted at 18 in 3930
His age at thr start of the season ehich defines sessons
22/23 20 yrs old
23/24 21 yes old
24/25 23 yrs old
Next sesson us his 23 yr old season
Peterka ELC yr 2 and 3 is similar o Connor.
123 in 158g for Connor vs 113 in 159g for Peterks and that's before factoring in linemates and usage.
MK9
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Yeah? Who TF was he playing with during those 28 games Chuckles? Break that down.
Better yet, don't bother. You got an erroneous narrative that you're clearly willing to hold onto regardless. It's being willfully ignorant is what it is.
Now...
I'm not a stat/research guy but I do watch between 70-75 games a year.
I'm not a research/stats guy to try to prove a point on a hockey board but I watch 70-80 Wild games a year. Kaprizov was not a huge factor in how many points Rossi got this year. I can tell you that because I actually watched it
Zman5778
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Going back to your previous post about Brodin -- I full well realize that the Wild have basically less than zero reason to move him at this point in time.
Personally, I'd put both Kulich and Peterka on the table for him....and likely add a bit from there. Kulich was a revelation at center the last 20ish games of the season, and really looks like he has a future there. And JJP has been well-discussed.
So what else would need to be added to ensure that we plop Brodin next to Dahlin for a while?
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Zman5778
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I do that in less than a heartbeat. You call Guerin and I'll call Pegula?
Spurgeon
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How are you guys on cap space actually? I could see someone like Trenin being thrown in to a deal like this since we may need a bit more maneuverability if we're targeting a player like Marner in UFA.
Just don't know if it's feasible from Buffalo's side to take in $16M of players (estimating Rossi's contract) & sending out only $8M (estimating JJ's contract).
TommyDangles
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Playing with Boldy & Zuccarello?
Same posters that told me that Fiala was much much better than Reinhart are now saying Rossi creates offense independent of Kaprizov. Truly hilarious. Impressive how people can watch that many games & still have no clue what they're looking at. As always time will prove them wrong.
Rossi was injured in March and played rather bad from then on (though no confirmation and never missing a game). Before that he was doing pretty well without Kap. In the playoffs he was dumped on the fourth line and still had two goals with Trenin/Brazeau (one assist with Kap). We are all curious to see if that slump was due to injury, that's why many would prefer a bridge deal. Just doesn't seem to happen.
Says the guy who never watched a Wild game and put up fake stats.....ugh
I wish this site had more arguments other than stats. But I get it. I don't know as much about Buffalo or JJ just like you don't about the Wild or Marco
Difference is I don't pretend to
Zman5778
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Heh. You'd think that a team like us would be drowning in cap space.
RIGHT NOW, as it stands -- we've got about $8M in cap space and still have to sign the following RFAs:
Ryan McLeod
Jack Quinn
Bowen Byram
JJ Peterka (or Marco Rossi in this trade)
Jacob Bernard-Docker
AND we still need a backup goalie, so that's roughly $1M gone right off the top.
So if we did trade for Brodin -- that basically necessitates that we trade away 2 of Byram, Power or Samuelsson.
If we took on Trenin, we'd likely have to throw Lafferty back at you.......which probably isn't appealing to y'all.
We're in tough against the cap for a team that finished as poorly as we did. We have PLENTY of ways out of it though....if Adams knows what he's doing.
Beerz
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That is absolutely bat shit crazy. Please point to a dman with a career high of 30 points gets that kind of return. Defensive dmen do not pull those kind of returns... they just don't.
people that don't watch the game , or teams or players try to use points to depreciate a player's value. Points aren't everything. According to you Brock faber would get less value also because he doesn't score much points right? lol , yet you want brodin and won't accept anything about him potentially not getting traded because according to you, He's not that good. Yet Bill Guerin wouldn't even trade a player like foligno, funny though right
Zman5778
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We're in a position to give absolutely zero f***s about "value". We need defensive defensemen. BADLY. Brodin is an ELITE defensive defenseman who can keep up with Dahlin and who will age well.
Is Brodin actually available? Probably not. But we're in a position where we can overpay in good, young forwards to go get exactly what we need.
bert
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Ouch lol. Its always funny when you see a team shopping a guy. Then all the fans defend the player. If you like him so much just keep him then.
bert
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Finally a trade that kinda makes sense I still wouldnt do it if I was Buffalo but I dont hate the framework.
Beerz
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Lol.. Brock Faber is 22 years old and has already had almost a 50 point season... Fabers value is astronomical right now... what a horrible argument
Beerz
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You can overpay... you don't do stupid moves out of desperation.
No, it's not a bad argument. Brodin and faber are very much alike. They both are amazing excellent shutdown Dman. Both don't participate much offensively. Faber didn't this year. So it's not a bad argument. You're arguing that one of the best shutdown Dman in the NHL who has single handedly shutdown Connor McDavid doesn't have much value
Beerz
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He is 22 man... Brodin is 31..he is what he is. Faber has already proven he can contribute offensively. Find a defensive dman that has pulled that kind of value in a trade. Go ahead.
Spurgeon
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Yeah, I feel like I remember looking at you guys as a possible trade destination at one point & being surprised by your cap situation. Definitely ways out of it with all of the assets you guys have though.
If you were trading Byram away, maybe he could replace Kulich in the trade instead. We don’t really have an NHL ready LD prospect in our pool beyond Buium, so Guerin would need somebody to replace Brodin.
I do still it’s very unlikely Brodin is moved though. Our defense seems pretty set for the next two seasons & there’s a lot of prospects in our pool, as well as cap space that we can use for upgrading our offense.
