Iron Balls McGinty
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What did Ceulemans ever do to you except be yet another bad Jarmo defenseman draft pick?How's Corson Ceulemans doing again?
What did Ceulemans ever do to you except be yet another bad Jarmo defenseman draft pick?How's Corson Ceulemans doing again?
HOW. HOW is it clearly not the case?
Nobody can explain this beyond making grass-is-greener presumptions and pie-in-the-sky "maybe it'll be different this time" assertions.
If you're playing that game, our universally loved first line is compressed of a 1st, 2nd, and 4th rounder.How's Corson Ceulemans doing again?
Be the latest "asset" we got from a late 1st. Y'know, the sort of pick we just picked up that supposedly means we didn't throw Jiricek away for nothing.
I’ll be back later when you’ve had a chance to chill.How's Corson Ceulemans doing again?
I'm with you. Between guys like Waddell and Evason, down to players like Monahan, we feel more legitimate than we have in quite some time. We've been such an easy out the last few years. That's changing and it's changing quick. I'm so goddamn excited.I'm not naming any names but there are people who are way too negative for whatever reason over a hockey trade.
I've followed this team since the very beginning, attended the very first game and have seen a sh*t ton of losing. I just watched this team go 3-0-1 in a their last 4 games and actually look like a team with structure.
We have new management and new coaching and I'm far more positive about the future of this team than I have been in YEARS.
Maybe we can take a breath and have some perspective. Sometimes a cog doesn't fit in the wheel and you just need to move on. It's ok
Here is more than "ONE f***ing report" from the prospect analysis video I've been trying to get you to listen to. I transcribed some quotes for youNo, it's that guys who have shown no upside or even hints of upside beyond "he might be ready for the bottom pairing" are borderline depth. I didn't think they were worthless, but our GM evidently did. Seriously, show me ONE f***ing report of any kind that proclaims him as anything other than "bottom pairing NHL ready" with all the usual "blah blah character" things that folks use when they're trying to talk about a good guy who deserves good things but isn't actually going to attain them.
Lol. I remember when tbat movie was on cable all the time. I have always liked Michael Keaton. Probably on of my favorite actors. Don't think I ever disliked a movie he was in. Mr. Mom is a classic. "220, 221, whatever works."I’ll be back later when you’ve had a chance to chill.
For the next 1:53 I’ll be watching The Dream Team, the 1989 film starring Michael Keaton, Peter Boyle, Christopher Lloyd and Stephen Furst.
If you wait until there are credible reports that he wants out, the return is even lower. This sure looks like Waddell trying to maximize value by moving DJ before that happened.I don’t see how it matters whether it was Jarmo’s pick or not, are we going to trade KJ and Fantilli as well ?
Unless there are credible reports Jiricek INSISTED on being traded, I don’t understand this urgency to get this type of package that I’m sure we could’ve still gotten later as Jiricek is playing well in the A
You're not the only one. Agree with everything in your post.I guess I'm the only CBJ fan that isn't pissed right now.
Waddell is clearly building a certain style of team here. You need to be able to skate. Jiricek will never be remotely a strong skater in the NHL. Patrik Laine damn sure wouldn't have fit.
We got a 1 2 3 and 4 for a guy who can't skate. Hell still be useful in the NHL, maybe even pretty good, but I ain't mad.
I believe in what we're building. I love the way the hurricanes play. If he's building us into that I'm all for it.
Because the team is trending in the right direction and some of us are glass half full - however, I feel you've taken your glass and threw it against a brick wall.HOW. HOW is it clearly not the case?
Nobody can explain this beyond making grass-is-greener presumptions and pie-in-the-sky "maybe it'll be different this time" assertions.
Waddell, who engaged in trade talks regarding Jiricek ever since the Blue Jackets sent him back to AHL Cleveland on Nov. 20, wasn’t about to bash the young defenseman on his way out the door. Jiricek, despite his disappointment in returning to the AHL again this season, was always good to deal with, Waddell said.
But it was clear by coach Dean Evason’s usage — the 12 healthy scratches Jiricek endured, the limited minutes he drew when he did dress — that the NHL was seen as a little rich for Jiricek at this stage of his career. And that’s all about his skating.
“I watched him play in Cleveland last (spring) and I thought he played well,” Waddell said. “Training camp didn’t go as well as anybody wanted it to. I can’t say where I had him projected, but it’s a hard league for a 20- or 21-year-old player. It’s tough to come in and have an impact right away.
“And after a couple of years, you have to forget where guys were drafted and just evaluate them.”
The words that are used most often to describe Jiricek’s skating are “awkward” and “clumsy.” Those are not compliments, especially in the modern NHL where defensemen are expected to join the play and keep up with smaller, quicker players.
When Jiricek has the puck on his stick — when he’s determining the direction of the play — his skating is not a concern at all. But when he’s defending, especially when the puck changes direction abruptly, his ability to quickly adjust is not smooth.
The Blue Jackets want their defensemen to join the rush and push the play, which sounds like a perfect fit for Jiricek, given his offensive prowess. But he struggled to be aggressive, most believe because he was so concerned about being out of position when the puck went the other way.
There’s no doubt that Jiricek can fix his skating. A different system, one that’s less taxing than Evason’s could help. Continued offseason work by Jiricek could help him become more agile. The passage of time may help, too, as 6-foot-4, 205-pound defensemen, like a puppy, have to grow into their feet.
The Blue Jackets initially asked potential trade partners for one of their top prospects, hoping to make a one-for-one swap. When those players weren’t available, the Blue Jackets adapted their demands for a first-round pick and a depth defenseman.
Waddell spent much of the past 10 days on the phone, but by Saturday he had at least two more teams enter the fray, he said, with offers of a first-round pick and depth defensemen. That demand forced the Wild, who were in hot pursuit of Jiricek from the start, to up the ante, which they did.
The fact that NHL GMs were unwilling to go prospect-for-prospect in a trade for Jiricek could be an indication that they shared the same concerns about his skating. Maybe Waddell was wise to move on Jiricek at this juncture before his inability to crack the NHL became a bigger concern.
The Blue Jackets, in return, received 22-year-old defenseman Daemon Hunt, 6-1 (201), who has played 13 games in two seasons with Minnesota. Evason, who coached the Wild until he was fired last November, coached five games with Hunt in the lineup early last season.
The Jackets also got a first-round pick in 2025, a second-round pick in 2027, and third- and fourth-round picks in 2026. The first-round pick next June is protected in the unlikely event that Minnesota ends up picking in the top 5 of the draft.
The Blue Jackets traveled to Chicago at mid-afternoon Saturday in advance of Sunday’s 3 p.m. game. Waddell didn’t join the flight because he knew the Jiricek trade was coming to a head. He’ll fly later to join the team at the start of a five-game trip.
“It’s a trade we’ve been working on for a while,” Waddell said. “It got to a point this weekend where I thought we were getting fair value and we could say yes.”