Confirmed with Link: Jiricek, 2025 5th to Minnesota for Hunt, conditional 2025 1st, 2026 3rd, 2027 2nd and 4th

[Viqsi]

You're arguing against giving away bad players for free?

No, I'm arguing against giving away borderline depth players for free and then trading away valuable assets to replace those borderline depth players with even more borderline depth players. We've so far managed two of five with Harris and Hunt. Who'll replace the other three?

 

[SteelCityCannon]

No, I'm arguing against giving away borderline depth players for free and then trading away valuable assets to replace those borderline depth players with even more borderline depth players. We've so far managed two of five with Harris and Hunt. Who'll replace the other three?

Do you think maybe the players were just worth nothing? Or are other teams just obligated to help us out? Because we get mad at other teams for implying that.

 

[Viqsi]

Do you think maybe the players were just worth nothing? Or are other teams just obligated to help us out? Because we get mad at other teams for implying that.

Ah. So now Jiricek was worth nothing all along. This is an interesting cope strategy.

 

[CBJx614]

So we decided to not take first rounders and instead go with a 3rd round pick player and a late first ?

https://www.nytimes.com/athletic/5958993/2024/11/30/david-jiricek-trade-blue-jackets-wild-grades/?source=user_shared_article

We added a piece who can either potentially be a call up if an injury or a trade (Provorov) happens and not disrupt Cleveland. Also those draft picks AT BEST likely aren't going to even be sniffing a CBJ roster spot for 18+ months. Hunt, being put into the right position, could possibly blossom as an NHLer in the next 2-10 months. While also continuing to give us extra draft capital over the next 3 years. We've potentially added to the roster this year when it wasn't likely Jiricek would at all.

What if the Jackets are on the cusp of a playoff spot come February? We now have two firsts and some extra depth picks that we can go after someone with and not effect the current roster.

Or we sell off guys like Provorov, grab some extra picks and go after someone in the off-season or continue to load up the prospect pool with lottery tickets. While creating some major competition for roster spots next season.

 

[GoJackets1]

Yeah, I don’t know about that one. If that’s true I bet they had conditions like they’d turn into lower picks if X happened.

 

[SteelCityCannon]

Ah. So now Jiricek was worth nothing all along. This is an interesting cope strategy.

No, we gave away all those other boners you mentioned for free because THEY were worth nothing. Are any of them even remotely doing anything right now?

We just got a pretty good haul for Jiricek. He's clearly worth something. That's the best deal that a 6 or 7 team bidding war came up with.

As far as who's going to replace them, I'll be shocked if Mateychuk isn't on the squad next year for good. Still have Z, Severson, Guddy. Would love to see them hang on to Fabbro and maybe Christiansen. Then there's guys like Hunt and Svozil.

It's a mega slim chance but I would love to hang onto Provorov for a few more years too.

 

[Viqsi]

No, we gave away all those other boners you mentioned for free because THEY were worth nothing. Are any of them even remotely doing anything right now?

We just got a pretty good haul for Jiricek. He's clearly worth something. That's the best deal that a 6 or 7 team bidding war came up with.

As far as who's going to replace them, I'll be shocked if Mateychuk isn't on the squad next year for good. Still have Z, Severson, Guddy. Would love to see them hang on to Fabbro and maybe Christiansen. Then there's guys like Hunt and Svozil.

It's a mega slim chance but I would love to hang onto Provorov for a few more years too.

We had five guys who were borderline depth. They were deemed useless and given away for free.

We now have two more guys who are borderline depth. But they were somehow deemed super-valuable enough to spend much more valuable assets on to acquire them, which has apparently convinced folks that they're something other than borderline depth. Well, except that by now Harris has actually shown what he's legitimately capable of so folks have given up there now.

What's the next valuable asset we're going to trade away for more similarly "useless" borderline depth? I'm placing my bets on Voronkov.

 

[KJ Dangler]

 

[SteelCityCannon]

We had five guys who were borderline depth. They were deemed useless and given away for free.

We now have two more guys who are borderline depth. But they were somehow deemed super-valuable enough to spend much more valuable assets on to acquire them, which has apparently convinced folks that they're something other than borderline depth. Well, except that by now Harris has actually shown what he's legitimately capable of so folks have given up there now.

What's the next valuable asset we're going to trade away for more similarly "useless" borderline depth? I'm placing my bets on Voronkov.

Why? Voronkov has actually shown to be a strong NHL player already. Did Don Waddell kick your dog or something? Teams don't have to do us favors. Cats out of the bag, Jiricek can't skate and that impacted his value heavily.

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

Not a single one of those assets will amount to anything even remotely supportive of anything even distantly resembling a plan.

I am dramatically underwhelmed by the return in this trade but this is just a bad take made in anger.

 

[ColumbusTrill]

No, I'm arguing against giving away borderline depth players for free and then trading away valuable assets to replace those borderline depth players with even more borderline depth players. We've so far managed two of five with Harris and Hunt. Who'll replace the other three?

I feel like you are arguing that all of these players are equal when that is clearly not the case. The CBJ clearly felt Berni, Bean, Blanks, Boqvist etc weren't gonna help the team and they subsequently cut bait and we haven't missed them at all. They obviously like Hunt as a player and feel like he can develop into a contributor. Guys like Christiansen, Danforth, Olivier, Voronkov were once "borderline depth players" who have developed into key regulars. Each player is unique

 

[Viqsi]

I am dramatically underwhelmed by the return in this trade but this is just a bad take made in anger.

How's Corson Ceulemans doing again?

 

[Viqsi]

I feel like you are arguing that all of these players are equal when that is clearly not the case.

HOW. HOW is it clearly not the case?

Nobody can explain this beyond making grass-is-greener presumptions and pie-in-the-sky "maybe it'll be different this time" assertions.

 

[joybang]

Yikes

 

[ThirdPeriodTurtle]

I guess I belong to the slightly more positive club, even if the return could've been better.

I liked the idea of Jiricek and his competitive spirit which he proved many times, but the player we have had for the past couple of years was not very good at the NHL level. It just started to feel like he was not going to pan out. So with that in mind, not too upsetting to send him out if the relationship was already strained. If he does pan out with the Wild, then we'll be kicking ourselves pretty hard.

All eggs in the Mateychuk basked then.

 

[Iron Balls McGinty]

How's Corson Ceulemans doing again?

What did Ceulemans ever do to you except be yet another bad Jarmo defenseman draft pick?

 

[Palmu]

A bit underwhelming return, but it seems that other GM's are also concerned about his skating abilities.

Why not just keep Jiricek?

1. He probably asked to be traded. If he had made the request public later, it would have plummeted his trade value even more.

2. Keeping him could have created more drama, and we don’t want that shit near our hopefully future core (Mateychuk, Brindley, LDBB).

 

[Viqsi]

What did Ceulemans ever do to you except be yet another bad Jarmo defenseman draft pick?

Be the latest "asset" we got from a late 1st. Y'know, the sort of pick we just picked up that supposedly means we didn't throw Jiricek away for nothing.

 

[ColumbusTrill]

HOW. HOW is it clearly not the case?

Nobody can explain this beyond making grass-is-greener presumptions and pie-in-the-sky "maybe it'll be different this time" assertions.

From what I get from your argument is that every non high first round pick is borderline depth and basically worthless.

I provided plenty of examples of players who have developed with the CBJ who fit the same criteria as what you are describing.

No one knows how much impact Hunt will make. I've tried to tell you to listen to people who have watched him play to give you a better sense of who he is now and what he may become.

Maybe he's the next Christiansen or Oliver or maybe he's the next Bean or Berni. It seems very irresponsible to me to dismiss him before he plays a single game for this organization

 

[SteelCityCannon]

How's Corson Ceulemans doing again?

If you're playing that game, our universally loved first line is compressed of a 1st, 2nd, and 4th rounder.

Draft position don't mean shit once they start playing pro hockey.

 

[Viqsi]

From what I get from your argument is that every non high first round pick is borderline depth and basically worthless.

No, it's that guys who have shown no upside or even hints of upside beyond "he might be ready for the bottom pairing" are borderline depth. I didn't think they were worthless, but our GM evidently did. Seriously, show me ONE f***ing report of any kind that proclaims him as anything other than "bottom pairing NHL ready" with all the usual "blah blah character" things that folks use when they're trying to talk about a good guy who deserves good things but isn't actually going to attain them.

 

[ColumbusTrill]

Be the latest "asset" we got from a late 1st. Y'know, the sort of pick we just picked up that supposedly means we didn't throw Jiricek away for nothing.

Wasn't Provorov the latest asset we got for a late 1st? I hate getting legit top 4 NHL defensemen. Darn!

 

[Double-Shift Lasse]

How's Corson Ceulemans doing again?

I’ll be back later when you’ve had a chance to chill.

For the next 1:53 I’ll be watching The Dream Team, the 1989 film starring Michael Keaton, Peter Boyle, Christopher Lloyd and Stephen Furst.

 

[Fred Glover]

The team essentially gifted Jiricek a top 4 spot and he still didn’t make the team
I understand why they wanted to move on from him

 

[GoJackets1]

I was hoping for a quality over quantity trade here, and was initially underwhelmed, but honestly, a Christiansen-esque prospect, plus a pick in each of the first 4 rounds is pretty good value for a guy who everybody around the league knows wants out, with potential attitude problems, and obvious skating issues.

I have been relatively high on Jiricek, but he’s definitely more of a question mark now than he was a couple years ago. He hasn’t developed much or improved on missing aspects of the player he was two years ago.