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Player Discussion Jimmy Vesey

Rodolfo Lassparri said:
This is very disheartening. A position has just been blocked for forwards prospects to advance. I would imagine that those developing in Hartford or those players who have been drafted but are not yet in the system sees this as a sign of the organization’s path forward. Does this also spill in to College, Junior and European free agents?
Which is it Chris Drury, Trade Buchnevich so the youth have adequate developmental time or sign a 30 year old journeyman and block and spot for an additional two years.
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Wont someone think of the CHL UFAs????
 
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duhmetreE said:
I dont know if this was an ongoing negotiation but his game has seemed flat for a few games
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I thought he was pretty good last night. Had one crazy shift in particular that had multiple takeaways and great stick work.

This is a great deal - he’s an absolutely excellent defensive player and he has enough skill to get some points here and there. Prevents experimenting with borderline guys
 
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Jimmy also in a different situation than your average 4th liner given he got paid right out of college during the “Vesey Sweepstakes.” Which of course we won, so maybe he felt like he owed us, haha.
 
Rodolfo Lassparri said:
This is very disheartening. A position has just been blocked for forwards prospects to advance. I would imagine that those developing in Hartford or those players who have been drafted but are not yet in the system sees this as a sign of the organization’s path forward. Does this also spill in to College, Junior and European free agents?
Which is it Chris Drury, Trade Buchnevich so the youth have adequate developmental time or sign a 30 year old journeyman and block and spot for an additional two years.
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sorry, friend, i think this is mixing 2 different things

Vesey aint blocking a kid, we don't want our kids aiming for 10 minutes a night

relatedly, NYR have been, over last few years, extremely healthy, compared to many NHL teams; that can change at any instant. organizations need depth at each tier of the system
 
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Happy. Good deal and appreciate his pk work but please keep him bottom 6 player.
 
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will1066 said:
Vesey lacks self-confidence.


Or maybe he just likes it here and doesn't want to go anywhere else again. $800K is peanuts.
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I’d do it for half lol.

Also, I feel like Vesey is this team’s Jesper Fast. I was not thrilled when we didn’t re-sign Fast.

So I think drury’s priorities with the Vesey signing make sense. We shouldn’t need to give up draft picks to get depth players at the TDL anymore. That made sense last year but can be expensive long term.
 
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Rodolfo Lassparri said:
This is very disheartening. A position has just been blocked for forwards prospects to advance. I would imagine that those developing in Hartford or those players who have been drafted but are not yet in the system sees this as a sign of the organization’s path forward. Does this also spill in to College, Junior and European free agents?
Which is it Chris Drury, Trade Buchnevich so the youth have adequate developmental time or sign a 30 year old journeyman and block and spot for an additional two years.
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LOL. Hes a top tier 4th liner at worst who is extremely valuable. He aint blockin nobodyyyyyy
 
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cwede said:
sorry, friend, i think this is mixing 2 different things

Vesey aint blocking a kid, we don't want our kids aiming for 10 minutes a night

relatedly, NYR have been, over last few years, extremely healthy, compared to many NHL teams; that can change at any instant. organizations need depth at each tier of the system
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Some players are drafted to be bottom 6 forwards.
Rempe, Edstrom and Grubbe come to mind.
What’s there path from Hartford?
I don’t expect them to put up big numbers in the AHL. What I would like is them to play the right way. Dump, chase and hit. Keep other teams top lines trapped in their own zone with their heads constantly on a swivel, opposing players not so much concerned about generating offense but more concerned about not being hammered.
10-12 minutes a night of pressure, I’ll take it.
Who was the last 4th line forward we developed and were successfully brought up to play on the Rangers for extended seasons?
A competitive team is made up of many different components much like an orchestra isn’t made up of all virtuoso violinist.
 
cwede said:
sorry, friend, i think this is mixing 2 different things

Vesey aint blocking a kid, we don't want our kids aiming for 10 minutes a night

relatedly, NYR have been, over last few years, extremely healthy, compared to many NHL teams; that can change at any instant. organizations need depth at each tier of the system
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you can argue he might be blocking a kid who projects as a bottom six player in the NHL but realistically Vesey for $800k is the right kind of depth move a team like the Rangers should be making
 
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Rodolfo Lassparri said:
Some players are drafted to be bottom 6 forwards.
Rempe, Edstrom and Grubbe come to mind.
What’s there path from Hartford?
I don’t expect them to put up big numbers in the AHL. What I would like is them to play the right way. Dump, chase and hit. Keep other teams top lines trapped in their own zone with their heads constantly on a swivel, opposing players not so much concerned about generating offense but more concerned about not being hammered.
10-12 minutes a night of pressure, I’ll take it.
Who was the last 4th line forward we developed and were successfully brought up to play on the Rangers for extended seasons?
A competitive team is made up of many different components much like an orchestra isn’t made up of all virtuoso violinist.
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Grubbe isn't even playing pro hockey yet, and I doubt he'll be instantly NHL ready next year when he's done with juniors. Same for Edstrom who has been improving in the SHL, but hasn't played and pro hockey in the AHL yet. Rempe hasn't really been anything special in Hartford, and he won't likely be ready for a spot next year.

This isn't blocking anything. If they're legitimately pushing for a spot after next season, they can simply waive Vesey for nothing. It's a non-issue.
 
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kyk1827 said:
LOL. Hes a top tier 4th liner at worst who is extremely valuable. He aint blockin nobodyyyyyy
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Does that mean Grubbe, Edstrom and Rempe just play in Hartford till they time out only then to become 4th line competent forwards on other teams.
Building a team should mean building a team that has players who have roles and those players know their roles.
I would like our organization to develop our role players. Not signing cast offs from other teams. McKegg, Carpenter, Brodzinski, Hunt Rooney, Reaves, etc…
and that’s just in the last two years.
 
Kodiak said:
He's playing well enough, but not doing so well that he would build any demand from other teams. He's playing at around the same level he did for NJ. The open market for Vesey probably means taking another PTO somewhere and trying to play his way on to the team. Two years of security for a depth forward has got feel good.
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I am glad Vesey has been more than a black hole, which is what usually populates our fourth line (net negative players), but he hasn't been good enough to really command more than the minimum. This is what a fourth liner should be, not the Carpenters and Reaveses of the world who can't play hockey. We need to get Rydahl up here too.

But in this cap world I don't think Vesey was going to get the Blais or Motte contract from anyone. No one has money. He must have made his peace with the fact that it's better to get $800m in a place you want to be than to chase $1.1m but have to constantly be moving from Minnesota to Florida to Arizona to wherever. There's a value to actually enjoying the prime years of your life that the dollars in a contract can't wholly encapsulate. He must also know he's not gonna walk out of this league never having to work again, he's gonna have to parlay his NHL career into a front office or coaching job at some level and so he's making the connections for that as well.
 
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Mac n Gs said:
Grubbe isn't even playing pro hockey yet, and I doubt he'll be instantly NHL ready next year when he's done with juniors. Same for Edstrom who has been improving in the SHL, but hasn't played and pro hockey in the AHL yet. Rempe hasn't really been anything special in Hartford, and he won't likely be ready for a spot next year.

This isn't blocking anything. If they're legitimately pushing for a spot after next season, they can simply waive Vesey for nothing. It's a non-issue.
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Is all about the psyche of your youth.
Go back to the famous article by Brad Marchand.
When they go to camp or are down in the AHL all they think about is who’s ahead of them, who’s blocking them, maybe there will be an injury so they can get a chance of making their dream of being an NHL player.
I believe a successful organization wants their prospects to believe that by working hard and playing the right way there is a path for them. Vesey and all the other stop gaps just sends the wrong message.
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