Speculation: Jimmy Howard value as a UFA if he gets bought out.

[vipernsx]

Bill Peters was around Detroit for some of Howard's best years and the Cane's current goaltending group is weak. If they could ship out Lack to a team looking for a backup they might be interested in Howard as a UFA. All depends on what Peters thinks.

Is that a Lack for Howard trade then?

At the very earliest Holland wouldn't buy out Howard until next summer, And that's if Holland leaves Howard unprotected and he will. And Vegas say chooses MAF instead then it's possible that he could be bought out but i would be shocked if it happened now.

While I don't think Howard will be happy playing a backup in Detroit, he still has to add Vegas to his list before Holland can expose him in the draft. IMO, if Holland doesn't have it written down already to have Howards OK, I'm buying him out in the 2nd buyout period. No way should he risk losing Mrazek to an expansion draft because he has to protect Howard. That'd get him fired.

 

[tony d]

He's a decent mid tier goalie, still don't know of any team that would want a goalie right now.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

He's a decent mid tier goalie, still don't know of any team that would want a goalie right now.

We need a backup but only if he's bought out

 

[Ezekial]

Yup and he has 3 years left at 5.6 per, he's the starter

If he stays Howard still has 3 years @ 5.2 per, must be the starter amirite?

Mike Smith is definitely worse than Howard in my mind.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

If he stays Howard still has 3 years @ 5.2 per, must be the starter amirite?

Mike Smith is definitely worse than Howard in my mind.

Who is going to challenge Mike Smith in ARZ? nobody

 

[Ezekial]

Who is going to challenge Mike Smith in ARZ? nobody

According to this thread, Jimmy Howard on a cheap deal after he's bought out.

But as was stated with the resigning Domingue that's extremely unlikely - just like Howard being bought out in the first place.

 

[Mystifo]

Holland isn't buying out Howard we would need to sign a cheap back up if we did that. And we wouldn't be saving all that much. If we were to buy out some one it's most likely Ericsson not Howard.

Has Ericsson really fallen that far? Is he no longer a #4/#5?

 

[BeersHockey]

Is that a Lack for Howard trade then?



While I don't think Howard will be happy playing a backup in Detroit, he still has to add Vegas to his list before Holland can expose him in the draft. IMO, if Holland doesn't have it written down already to have Howards OK, I'm buying him out in the 2nd buyout period. No way should he risk losing Mrazek to an expansion draft because he has to protect Howard. That'd get him fired.

How is this? Howie has a no "trade" clause - not a no "movement" clause. Being selected in the expansion draft is not a trade, so it should not be affected by Howie's limited NTC. If there was some guidance on this by the NHL that I have missed, my apologies in advance.

 

[Number1RedWingsFan52]

Has Ericsson really fallen that far? Is he no longer a #4/#5?

At this stage in his career Ericsson is pretty much a #5 D man with his hip issues and all he's pretty much fallen that far from what i've seen of him.

 

[Ezekial]

Has Ericsson really fallen that far? Is he no longer a #4/#5?

He should've been scratched over Smith/Marchy last season. Dude can barely move and is absolutely pathetic with the puck in his zone.

 

[Lunatik]

I thought about that just not sure he will take a backup role

What choice does he have? Every team in the league has a starter already.

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

I thought about that just not sure he will take a backup role

No backup goalie is "taking a backup role", they're just failing to take the starting role.

 

[Cor]

Leafs would probably take him on a 1 year deal if we don't sign Jonas Enroth.

Depending on Mike Babcock's feelings on him of course

 

[BoredBrandonPridham]

Leafs would probably take him on a 1 year deal if we don't sign Jonas Enroth.

Depending on Mike Babcock's feelings on him of course

Couldn't imagine Babcock wouldn't want him. He's obviously seen a lot of Babcock's defensive systems and could help in a lot of ways in addition to being a solid back-up.

 

[Henkka]

Probably crappy for him personally. You couldn't pick a worse time of year to be bought out as a goalie.

I don't think Detroit does it. From what I've seen, they don't need to buy him out, and it wouldn't be a cheap buyout either. It's a lot of money for 2 goalies though, when only 1 can play every game.

They'll wait for another summer. If Las Vegas expansion will pick him, fine, if not, then a buyout.

 

[oilerbear]

So I have seen speculation on these boards from wings fans and fans in general that the wings will buy out Howard next month when the 2nd buy out window opens.

If they do that where does he go? what does get? most teams have their starters so does he accept a backup role?

or do you think they keep him?

75% of goals are scored on 10.5 shots in the high scoring chance area.
Dmen allow from 7.5 to 13.5 HSCA shots per game.

A goalie wants to play behind as many top 60 HSCA D as possible.

Teams want the best HSCA save% goalies.

Goalies Hsca save5% over the last 3 seasons. Minimum 1500 attempts faced.
1. Price .889
------------------------- Tier 1
2. Talbot; Griess .886
4. Holtby .885
------------------ tier 2
5. Halak .882
6. Jones .881
7. Elliott; Allen .880
----------------------- tier 3
9. Crawford .878
10. Lundquist .877
---------------------- tier 4
you want the top 10 HSCA save% goalies to be cup caliber
11. Schneider; Bernier .874
13. Mrazek .873
--------------------- Tier 5
14. Quick; Rask; Fluery; Neuwirth .871
18. Varlamov; Lask; Gibson .870
--------------------- tier 6
21. Bishop; Miller .867
23. Lehtonen .866
--------------------- tier 7
24. Khudobin .863
25. F. Anderson .862
Toronto traded #30 2016 and 2nd in 2017 for the # 25 HSCA save % goalie. Then paid him 5M per for 5 years.
Then Anaheim trades for the 11th best HSCA save% goalie Bernier. Who is .012 Better than Andersson and .04 better than Gibson. Plus got Toronto to eat 2m of his 4.15m salary.
26. Hutton; Nabokov; Mason; Scrivens .861
--------------------- tier 8
30. Riemer .860
31. Bobrovsky; Dubnyk; Pavalec; Hiller; Raanta .859
36. Kuemper .858
37. Luongo; Hutchinson; Berra; .857
41. C. Anderson; C. johnson; Enroth .856
------------------- tier 9
44. Montoya .854
45. M. Smith .853
46. Lerner .852
------------------ tier 10
47. Nilsson;Ward .849
#49 J. howard .848
50. Rao .847
------------------tier 11

being in the bottom half of back-up range at stopping the shots that get 75% of the goals.

He is worth a 1yr try somewhere in europe.
Ezikial !
your Opinion would be?
Wrong!

 

[mouser]

If he stays Howard still has 3 years @ 5.2 per, must be the starter amirite?

Mike Smith is definitely worse than Howard in my mind.

The big difference is that Mike Smith hasn't been outplayed by another goalie on the team. Smith has been inconsistent, but still had stretches of better play then Howard in recent seasons.

 

[Ezekial]

The big difference is that Mike Smith hasn't been outplayed by another goalie on the team. Smith has been inconsistent, but still had stretches of better play then Howard in recent seasons.

Better than the start of Howard's 14-15 season?

 

[mouser]

Better than the start of Howard's 14-15 season?

Well, Smith had a better W/L, Save% and GAA this past season on a worse team then Howard?

 

[Ezekial]

The big difference is that Mike Smith hasn't been outplayed by another goalie on the team. Smith has been inconsistent, but still had stretches of better play then Howard in recent seasons.

Well, Smith had a better W/L, Save% and GAA this past season on a worse team then Howard?

And the season prior Jimmy Howard was superior in each of those categories.

Actually the past 4 years they've alternated with Jimmy Howard making 2 all-star games. Hey, they both are bottom tier starters so let's not make a big deal out of who thinks who is better.

 

[Gh24]

Nsh could sign him to ease the load off Rinne, if he came cheap enough. Assuming we haven't spent the remaining cap upgrading our offense.

Idk if Poile is looking for a backup tho. If he is I'm sure he's reached out to Enroth aswell. We'll see...

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

75% of goals are scored on 10.5 shots in the high scoring chance area.
Dmen allow from 7.5 to 13.5 HSCA shots per game.

A goalie wants to play behind as many top 60 HSCA D as possible.

Teams want the best HSCA save% goalies.

Goalies Hsca save5% over the last 3 seasons. Minimum 1500 attempts faced.
1. Price .889
------------------------- Tier 1
2. Talbot; Griess .886
4. Holtby .885
------------------ tier 2
5. Halak .882
6. Jones .881
7. Elliott; Allen .880
----------------------- tier 3
9. Crawford .878
10. Lundquist .877
---------------------- tier 4
you want the top 10 HSCA save% goalies to be cup caliber
11. Schneider; Bernier .874
13. Mrazek .873
--------------------- Tier 5
14. Quick; Rask; Fluery; Neuwirth .871
18. Varlamov; Lask; Gibson .870
--------------------- tier 6
21. Bishop; Miller .867
23. Lehtonen .866
--------------------- tier 7
24. Khudobin .863
25. F. Anderson .862
Toronto traded #30 2016 and 2nd in 2017 for the # 25 HSCA save % goalie. Then paid him 5M per for 5 years.
Then Anaheim trades for the 11th best HSCA save% goalie Bernier. Who is .012 Better than Andersson and .04 better than Gibson. Plus got Toronto to eat 2m of his 4.15m salary.
26. Hutton; Nabokov; Mason; Scrivens .861
--------------------- tier 8
30. Riemer .860
31. Bobrovsky; Dubnyk; Pavalec; Hiller; Raanta .859
36. Kuemper .858
37. Luongo; Hutchinson; Berra; .857
41. C. Anderson; C. johnson; Enroth .856
------------------- tier 9
44. Montoya .854
45. M. Smith .853
46. Lerner .852
------------------ tier 10
47. Nilsson;Ward .849
#49 J. howard .848
50. Rao .847
------------------tier 11

being in the bottom half of back-up range at stopping the shots that get 75% of the goals.

He is worth a 1yr try somewhere in europe.
Ezikial !
your Opinion would be?
Wrong!

My opinion is not stated in the OP which you quoted, there are several questions hence the ? at the end of lines 2 and 3 but no opinion. My opinion can't be wrong because it is not stated in the OP which you quoted

 

[Ezekial]

My opinion is apparently wrong based on one stat in which they are separated by .005 and Bernier is as good as Schneider, k.