Confirmed with Link: Jimmy Howard re-signed for 6 years 5.3m per year

[SoupNazi]

Overpaid goalie who hasn't proven anything in the playoffs

As compared to those Cup Winners like Rinne, Lundqvist, and Price.

 

[Heaton]

Should be 5.3M and not 5.8M like it says in the header no?

Yeah 31.8/6 = 5.3

Yeah if he is up to 5.8, I am done defending this deal. Yes 500K is that big a difference, plus it puts him on the exact same figure as Quick, which would be outrageous. Assuming that is wrong though.

fixed.

 

[Dynheart]

What Henrik Lundqvist, Pekka Rinne, Carey Price.... Guess he can join the club, blaming Howard for this teams recent failures is wrong.

Note they are all better than him: Their numbers don't suggest wildly better especially in terms of Rinne. Just pointing out until last year Lundqvist hadn't won a single series, Price was out gunned by Halak in the Canadiens most memorable run. Rinne has twice made it to the second round, something Howard has done.

I don't get the logic either.

Howard in his young career has a calder nomination and an All Star appearance. That's a start. I'm sure a Vezina nomination/win is in his future...since...that's all it takes to be a top 5 goalie? He's postings 92.0+ SV% 3 out of 4 seasons...and all he's played is 4 seasons. He's a workhorse. And I don't even think he has peaked yet.

This 5.3M has the makings of Jimmy coming out on the wrong side of the contract.

Of course, though, he's supposed to carry a crap team...because goalies do that, right? Not really. Rarely ever happens (playoffs or regular season...Howard seems to be carrying quite a bit of the load for about a month and a half). The team in front of him needs to be clicking too, or else goals are going to be let in eventually. WHy do you think the great and awesome Quick, Lundqvist and Rinne can't get it done in the playoffs? Why should we hold HOward to a different standard? BUt we do. And I think it's because we want to justify ripping off the goalie.

 

[WingedWheel1987]

Holland is going to regret this contract before it's halfway done. Atleast there isn't a NTC, but who are we kidding, Every Red Wings player has a secret Ken Holland no trade clause because he over values home grown talent.

 

[Hendricks433]

I think 5.3 is about on Par, Id much prefer 5X5 max or 4 x 5.5. Those 6 years is a lot with Mrazek and Paterson. Any word on the NTC?

 

[InjuredChoker]

I think 5.3 is about on Par, Id much prefer 5X5 max or 4 x 5.5. Those 6 years is a lot with Mrazek and Paterson. Any word on the NTC?

Paterson isn't nothing more than junior goalie at this point. Good one though and I like him.

He might be ready when Howard's contract is over so this won't affect him much. Mrazek.. maybe. But Howie could be traded, easily if he's play doesn't drop. Easier if he has no NTC.

 

[Mount Royal]

My first reaction to this one was negative, but it's growing on me. Jimmy's a top 10 goalie making top 10 money now. I'm still iffy in regards to the term, but if there's no NTC then I'm alright with it for now.

Always liked Jimmy, glad he's here to stay.

 

[CloneHakanPlease*]

After letting it digest for a few days, I'm more ok with the amount. Just wish it could have been a 4 year 20 million or something like that. 6 years handcuffs options.

 

[Crymson]

Overpaid goalie who hasn't proven anything in the playoffs

Exactly what has your precious Carey Price accomplished?

(Hint: he hasn't made it past the first round.)

 

[RedWingsNow*]

Unnecessary deal. Holland is to generous with good and average players while trying to get bargains on stars

 

[Heaton]

Guys, stick to the subject matter not other posters. If you're not able to do that we can give you some time to figure out how.

 

[Mount Royal]

Exactly what has your precious Carey Price accomplished?

(Hint: he hasn't made it past the first round.)

Sure he has, over Boston in 2008. Two shutouts that series.

I don't think Howard has the upside Price does, but again...Howard's a top 10 goalie, and now he's getting paid like one.

Unnecessary deal. Holland is to generous with good and average players while trying to get bargains on stars

We need a goalie. Jimmy's been great. So the term is long, fine, but why is the deal unnecessary?

 

[Flowah]

Unnecessary deal. Holland is to generous with good and average players while trying to get bargains on stars

Unnecessary deal. Only in the term. For now it fills a need. He's a more solid goalie than we've usually had for the past few runs, at least during the regular season. And we have no one in the system that I would trust to take over right now. And I don't want an even bigger goalie cap hit in the ones available.

But not generous. Looks in line with market price when comparing goalie stats with others.

That said he doesn't really offer market price for stars. Spend the money on stars, fill out the rest of the roster with the plethora of well drafted talent that we have. That's how you win in a salary cap era. You need a core of star talent, surround with guys you drafted and developed for cheap.

 

[Heaton]

Unnecessary deal. Only in the term. For now it fills a need. He's a more solid goalie than we've usually had for the past few runs, at least during the regular season. And we have no one in the system that I would trust to take over right now. And I don't want an even bigger goalie cap hit in the ones available.

But not generous. Looks in line with market price when comparing goalie stats with others.

That said he doesn't really offer market price for stars. Spend the money on stars, fill out the rest of the roster with the plethora of well drafted talent that we have. That's how you win in a salary cap era. You need a core of star talent, surround with guys you drafted and developed for cheap.

Considering Pekka Rinne got a 7 year 49m deal after being a one time Vezina finalist and getting past the 1st round once (twice?). I don't think Howard's deal is that far off of market value. I don't think Rinne is that much better than Howard, my main problem is that goalies shouldn't make that much, period.

 

[The Zetterberg Era]

Considering Pekka Rinne got a 7 year 49m deal after being a one time Vezina finalist and getting past the 1st round once (twice?). I don't think Howard's deal is that far off of market value. I don't think Rinne is that much better than Howard, my main problem is that goalies shouldn't make that much, period.

He got it having advanced out of the first round once, he has since advanced out twice same as Howard.

 

[we like our team*]

he was our best player besides datsyuk in the '11 playoffs

 

[Flowah]

Considering Pekka Rinne got a 7 year 49m deal after being a one time Vezina finalist and getting past the 1st round once (twice?). I don't think Howard's deal is that far off of market value. I don't think Rinne is that much better than Howard, my main problem is that goalies shouldn't make that much, period.

I agree. Unless it's a superstar goalie like a prime Hasek, I don't like the idea of paying goalies that much in a cap era. I'd rather it towards elite centers and elite defenders. You can win with a good goalie who gets a little hot. Wings did it once, almost twice. But a hot goalie is going to have an almost impossible time carrying you through four rounds unless he has a very solid team in front.

 

[WingedWheel1987]

Should have signed some stop gap until Mrazek was ready. Wings are clearly rebuilding, so why pay this kind of money for a goalie who needs a great team to succeed? Hopefully he is traded, but let's not kid ourselves, Holland will never trade home grown talent. The guy wouldn't trade Ian White for a 7th round pick and his job is to make sure the press box stays above room temperature.

Does anyone actually think Howard is capable of winning a cup on a team where he is supposed to play like an elite goaltender?

 

[Heaton]

Should have signed some stop gap until Mrazek was ready. Wings are clearly rebuilding, so why pay this kind of money for a goalie who needs a great team to succeed? Hopefully he is traded, but let's not kid ourselves, Holland will never trade home grown talent. The guy wouldn't trade Ian White for a 7th round pick and his job is to make sure the press box stays above room temperature.

Does anyone actually think Howard is capable of winning a cup on a team where he is supposed to play like an elite goaltender?

Yes. Clearly not this team, but this team isn't that far off from winning if Holland does make a few bold moves. The playoffs are all about situations, in '08 the Wings benefited greatly from favorable matchups, same with Carolina in 2006. I know Cam Ward went nutso in the playoffs for a few rounds, but does anyone think Cam Ward is that much better than Howard? Or that Niemi is that much better?

I wanted Howard re-signed and I do not agree with the idea that the Wings should just sign a stop gap until Mrazek gets ready. What happens if he's really good? We'd be 3 years away from being in the exact same position.

 

[WingedWheel1987]

Yes. Clearly not this team, but this team isn't that far off from winning if Holland does make a few bold moves. The playoffs are all about situations, in '08 the Wings benefited greatly from favorable matchups, same with Carolina in 2006. I know Cam Ward went nutso in the playoffs for a few rounds, but does anyone think Cam Ward is that much better than Howard? Or that Niemi is that much better?

I wanted Howard re-signed and I do not agree with the idea that the Wings should just sign a stop gap until Mrazek gets ready. What happens if he's really good? We'd be 3 years away from being in the exact same position.

I just don't see the point of giving him six years. You know Holland will never trade him, so what the hell are they going to do with Mrazek if he is ready 2-3 years from now?

Why not sign a stop gap? What difference will it make? Wing's wont be contending either way.

 

[Heaton]

I just don't see the point of giving him six years. You know Holland will never trade him, so what the hell are they going to do with Mrazek if he is ready 2-3 years from now?

Why not sign a stop gap? What difference will it make? Wing's wont be contending either way.

We honestly have no idea what we really have with Mrazek until he plays full time. The Wings probably look at Howard as a known and proven commodity. Making a stop gap for a goalie who's had one really good year in the AHL doesn't make a lot of sense. For the record, I think 6 years is pretty stupid too.

 

[WingedWheel1987]

We honestly have no idea what we really have with Mrazek until he plays full time. The Wings probably look at Howard as a known and proven commodity. Making a stop gap for a goalie who's had one really good year in the AHL doesn't make a lot of sense. For the record, I think 6 years is pretty stupid too.

Sign some veteran for 2 million and change. I don't mean Mrazek should start next season. He is clearly not ready.

This contract handcuff's the Wings because you know management is never going to move him. I wouldn't be nearly as mad if i actually thought Holland was willing to trade Howard if Mrazek looks legit a couple years from now.

 

[DatsyukToZetterberg]

Just saying we can't compare the Quick/Howard deals because of the fact that he signed his when you could still those crazy 10 year + deals. He makes 7M per year so it should be looked at as 7-8M in today's terms.

 

[RedWingsNow*]

How many goalies are in the midst of long-term, $5M+ deals and happy with what their goalie provides?

 

[ArGarBarGar]

How many goalies are in the midst of long-term, $5M+ deals and happy with what their goalie provides?

Huh?

Sign some veteran for 2 million and change. I don't mean Mrazek should start next season. He is clearly not ready.

This contract handcuff's the Wings because you know management is never going to move him. I wouldn't be nearly as mad if i actually thought Holland was willing to trade Howard if Mrazek looks legit a couple years from now.

Have you had any reason to want him moved?

It's not like we have a cap team at the moment and need to shed salary anywhere, let alone at our most important position at present. What ever happened to those compliance buyouts everybody was talking about?