Player Discussion Jimmy Hayes II

[Fenway]

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http://hfboards.mandatory.com/showthread.php?t=1965523

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[Blowfish]

Please trade him.

 

[Mpasta]

New York loves taking Boston guys so I'm sure they'd love him.

 

[BostonBob]

New York loves taking Boston guys so I'm sure they'd love him.

How about Hayes for Vesey ????

 

[ODAAT]

Please trade him.

who wants him?

 

[ashnathan]

Ship him out ASAP. Its gonna get toxic, he will touch the puck in the Garden and the boo birds will start singing, that won't be good for Jimmy, the Bruins, and especially management. Get him out before it gets worse.

 

[ODAAT]

Ship him out ASAP. Its gonna get toxic, he will touch the puck in the Garden and the boo birds will start singing, that won't be good for Jimmy, the Bruins, and especially management. Get him out before it gets worse.

If he and his family felt the fans/media were tough on him last year.............

 

[Alicat]

Maybe if fans stopped hanging on to bogus stories that certain beat writers and bloggers post it wouldn't be "toxic" as some people are saying.

I hope he uses all of this absolute nonsense plus what Sweeney said after the season and ups his game and consistency.

On the ice criticism is warranted. Off the ice is not.

I guess Jimmy Hayes is the new whipping boy.

 

[Blowfish]

Maybe if fans stopped hanging on to bogus stories that certain beat writers and bloggers post it wouldn't be "toxic" as some people are saying.

I hope he uses all of this absolute nonsense plus what Sweeney said after the season and ups his game and consistency.

On the ice criticism is warranted. Off the ice is not.

I guess Jimmy Hayes is the new whipping boy.

Yup. If he doesn't improve on ice it's going to get real ugly. From
What I saw last year I don't see him improving. Not good. This one was a bad trade for Sweeney.

 

[Yeti34]

I'd give him this year to turn it around. He has some of the skills and physical attributes that would make fore a solid 3rd line winger.

 

[Fenian24]

I'd give him this year to turn it around. He has some of the skills and physical attributes that would make fore a solid 3rd line winger.

He has to want to use those attributes, 2 teams have given up on his using them and Boston is heading the same way, I just want him gone as soon as possible, preferably before training camp.

If he doesn't want to be the new whipping boy maybe he should show some interest in being a hockey player and not a floating figure skater.

 

[Fenian24]

who wants him?

I bet Detroit or Carolina would take him, won't get much back but who cares, addition by subtraction.

 

[DitClapper]

He'll have his uses in the expansion draft (hopefully). We can't protect everybody.

 

[PatriceBergeronFan]

He had one memorable game in all of last season. A rookie would do better and give more effort.

We had high hopes and the trade was fine to get rid of Smith and Savvy's contract, but he has underwhelmed greatly. His family needs to understand it's not where he is from but how he plays.

He will get the Wideman treatment, for different reasons from different fans.

 

[Fenway]

He'll have his uses in the expansion draft (hopefully). We can't protect everybody.

The way the expansion draft is set up I can't see Hayes being the player Boston loses.

The following rules were approved for the 2017 Expansion Draft:

Protected Lists
* Clubs will have two options for players they wish to protect in the Expansion Draft:

a) Seven forwards, three defensemen and one goaltender

b) Eight skaters (forwards/defensemen) and one goaltender

* All players who have currently effective and continuing "No Movement" clauses at the time of the Expansion Draft (and who to decline to waive such clauses) must be protected (and will be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).

* All first- and second-year professionals, as well as all unsigned draft choices, will be exempt from selection (and will not be counted toward their club's applicable protection limits).

Player Exposure Requirements
* All Clubs must meet the following minimum requirements regarding players exposed for selection in the Expansion Draft:

i) One defenseman who is a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.

ii) Two forwards who are a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.

iii) One goaltender who is under contract in 2017-18 or will be a restricted free agent at the expiration of his current contract immediately prior to 2017-18. If the club elects to make a restricted free agent goaltender available in order to meet this requirement, that goaltender must have received his qualifying offer prior to the submission of the club's protected list.

* Players with potential career-ending injuries who have missed more than the previous 60 consecutive games (or who otherwise have been confirmed to have a career-threatening injury) may not be used to satisfy a club's player exposure requirements, unless approval is received from the NHL. Such players also may be deemed exempt from selection by the League.

https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-expansion-draft-rules/c-281010592

The Bruins are going to lose a player more valuable than Hayes.

 

[EverettMike]

This is getting ugly. Not good in August.

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

The way the expansion draft is set up I can't see Hayes being the player Boston loses.



https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-expansion-draft-rules/c-281010592

The Bruins are going to lose a player more valuable than Hayes.

Who? K.Miller? McQuaid? Morrow? Subban? With Hayes, that's about the only interesting players for Vegas. Are any of those more valuable than Hayes? All easily replaceable...

 

[Greek_physique]

Did he under perform last year - Yes
Does he make a lot of money - Meh
Could he be better - Yes

I think people understand that he needs to be better; but I also think we should lower expectations for the guy as well.

He still was able to put up 30 points, which is respectable for a 3rd line winger..but the effort can be improved upon.

I was excited when we acquired him because I personally thought he'd be able to fit with DK, but that never happened.

Perhaps playing the wing with a more veteran player in Backes will make things easier for him in 2016:

Backes - 6'3, 221lbs
Hayes - 6'5, 215lbs

I personally still think he can be a useful player on this team going forward; but I don’t expect him to be a top 6 player which is fine.

 

[RussellmaniaKW]

I forget where to look at the stat that tracks regression/expected production, but Hayes is a textbook case of a guy who is statistically expected to bounce back after an atypically bad season. He won't be great or anything, but he should be better than he was last year. He really isn't making that much and if he gives you production in line with his career numbers then he's not a bad bottom 6 guy. It's always dumb to sell low on a guy like this. Much better off to ride out the slump and make use of him when he swings back the other way.

Also I love the irony of the same people lamenting us selling low on Reilly Smith wanting us to do the same with Hayes.

 

[Jean_Jacket41]

Please trade him.

I can't see Hayes traded before the expansion draft.

Each team needs to make available two forwards who are a) under contract in 2017-18 and b) played in 40 or more NHL games the prior season OR played in 70 or more NHL games in the prior two seasons.

Right now, Hayes, Nash and Beleskey qualify for that. Meaning Bruins need to keep Hayes, or get another F that they want to expose in return. Unless they want to expose Beleskey...

I also think Hayes will bounce back. No numbers in head cause it dépends of his C and how many PP time if at all he gets. But I see him rebounding after a so-so season and give Bruins quality play for his skill set.

 

[BostonBob]

The Bruins are going to lose a player more valuable than Hayes.

Who? K.Miller? McQuaid? Morrow? Subban? With Hayes, that's about the only interesting players for Vegas. Are any of those more valuable than Hayes? All easily replaceable...

I wouldn't include Subban in that group. He should be our backup next season if not this season. And isn't the reason Boston signed Khudobin to a 2 year deal is so that they could expose him in the Expansion Draft and still protect Subban ????

 

[Fenian24]

Who? K.Miller? McQuaid? Morrow? Subban? With Hayes, that's about the only interesting players for Vegas. Are any of those more valuable than Hayes? All easily replaceable...

Who I would protect: Bergeron, Krecji, Marchand, Pastrnak, Backes, Belesky, Spooner, Chara, Krug, McQuaid, Rask.

This leaves Hayes, Randell, Nash, Griffith, (play Randell or Griffith enough to meet requirements) Castro, K.Miller, C.Miller, Morrow and Subban as players that Vegas would be able to choose from. I am sure that Vegas would take C.Miller, Morrow, Subban, K.Miller or Griffith before the slumbering, lumbering waste of a roster spot that is Jimmy Hayes.

I expect another Defenseman to be added that will need to be protected so McQuaid would become available.

Considering the players that are going to be left exposed Sweeney has done a good job of preparing for the expansion draft. Not going to lose anyone of any real significance

 

[Dr Quincy]

Also I love the irony of the same people lamenting us selling low on Reilly Smith wanting us to do the same with Hayes.

DING DING DING

Yup. I saw this in the dark days of the Pitino/Wallace Celtics. Make a bad deal or sign a free agent to a bad contract and immediately "Oh now we have to get rid of this player". Then deal him for an even worse player with a worse contract. "Ugh, this guy sucks, just deal him!!!"

Rinse, repeat.

Might as well keep him. Start Heinen in the minors. Play Hayes on 3rd or 4th line and see how he does. You can waive him during the season if he sucks, but I'm pretty skeptical of the "Just get rid of this guy" kind of deals.

Never works out well.

 

[Fenian24]

Did he under perform last year - Yes
Does he make a lot of money - Meh
Could he be better - Yes

I think people understand that he needs to be better; but I also think we should lower expectations for the guy as well.

He still was able to put up 30 points, which is respectable for a 3rd line winger..but the effort can be improved upon.

I was excited when we acquired him because I personally thought he'd be able to fit with DK, but that never happened.

Perhaps playing the wing with a more veteran player in Backes will make things easier for him in 2016:

Backes - 6'3, 221lbs
Hayes - 6'5, 215lbs

I personally still think he can be a useful player on this team going forward; but I don’t expect him to be a top 6 player which is fine.

If he is going to be a bottom 6 forward the effort, that he refuses to show, needs to be there. A lazy, non productive, soft bottom 6. 30 point forward can be easily replaced for less money.

This board hated Chris Kelly's contract and was all over him for years, if Jimmy Hayes had Kelly's grit and effort he would be a useful player, still limited by his skating, but useful. Hayes only makes 700k less than Kelly did and Kelly is a player who I would take on my team any day as opposed to Hayes and his lack of heart.

 

[Greek_physique]

If he is going to be a bottom 6 forward the effort, that he refuses to show, needs to be there. A lazy, non productive, soft bottom 6. 30 point forward can be easily replaced for less money.

This board hated Chris Kelly's contract and was all over him for years, if Jimmy Hayes had Kelly's grit and effort he would be a useful player, still limited by his skating, but useful. Hayes only makes 700k less than Kelly did and Kelly is a player who I would take on my team any day as opposed to Hayes and his lack of heart.

I think many hated Kelly's contract because Chia was too attached to him, which resulted in us losing guys like Iggy/Boychuk. No one questioned the effort he gave; but it didn't make sense having him on those teams.

Hayes' current deal isn't hurting the team and what we've seen from Sweeney is he's not scared to cut ties or make changes with those types of contracts.