GDT: jim rutherford is a stanley cup champion

[Big Daddy Cane]

Murphy played well coming off of a long layoff, against some tough matchups. I’ve always found him to be better than advertised defensively; there’s the bad turnover here and there that is expected from a player of his type, but he’s not an albatross in his own zone. It’s a shame that Murphy’s offense hasn’t seemed to translate to the NHL level yet. He’d be a pretty valuable 3rd pairing guy if he can ever get that figured out.

 

[HisIceness]

You would think the Pens lost 15-0 and Fleury started murdering Sidney Crosby during play reading their thread

Yeah must be tough being a Penguins fan. Being a Cup contender just about every year is a hard life.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

philly losing, no likely no ground lost

still wouldve been nice to take advantage, hopefully they hit a losing streak sometime soon

Toronto won though and is tied with the Canes, Tampa also won pulling them slightly ahead, although Canes have 2 games in hand vs. Tampa. Catching Philly is obviously required, but need to stay ahead of the Atlantic teams.

 

[AD Skinner]

Had the canes won with the philly loss they'd only be 5 points out with 3 games in hand on them. I guess it could still happen...

 

[bathroomSTAAL]

You would think the Pens lost 15-0 and Fleury started murdering Sidney Crosby during play reading their thread

Ha, that's how it is every single time. I complained about it after the win vs. the Devils on Tuesday and they all ganged up on me. So spoiled.

Good game last night.

 

[RodTheBawd]

Obviously Tennyson ****ed that whole play up, but Hanifin needs to make a decision there and do something. I'll give him a pass since it happened so quickly, but I don't think that's the first time he's played a 1v2 that way.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Obviously Tennyson ****ed that whole play up, but Hanifin needs to make a decision there and do something. I'll give him a pass since it happened so quickly, but I don't think that's the first time he's played a 1v2 that way.

Yeah. I think we sometimes lose sight of (at least I know I do) of how little high level experience Hanifin has. He had 1 year of 37 games in the NCAA and went straight to the NHL. Still has a lot of learning to do on various facets of the game. Even Faulk struggled badly jumping straight to the NHL and got sent down for 12 games, then was able to play in the AHL during the lockout, which I think helped his game tremendously. Contrast that to Slavin, and a lesser degree Pesce. 3 years in USHL, 2 years in NCAA, 12 games in AHL, then jump to the NHL at 21 for Slavin. 3 years in NCAA for Pesce and jump to the NHL at 20/21.

Short of sending him down though, I think the Canes are handling him as well as possible. Give him more sheltered ES minutes while he learns the ropes and PP time so he can learn how to be more effective..not "thrown to the wolves".

 

[Unsustainable]

Had the canes won with the philly loss they'd only be 5 points out with 3 games in hand on them. I guess it could still happen...

I've considered getting this tattooed

 

[Joe McGrath]

Obviously Tennyson ****ed that whole play up, but Hanifin needs to make a decision there and do something. I'll give him a pass since it happened so quickly, but I don't think that's the first time he's played a 1v2 that way.

Looking at it again, he really was just screwed. Malkin was coming in right next to Hornqvist so even if he takes out Hagelin it's a 2-0. His only option was to sell out to get to Hornqvist before he could make the pass but he wasn't in any position to do that because he was in position to defend a 3 on 2.

I do think you are right about his general 2 on 1 abilities because he's been burned before, but I just don't know what he could've done on this one other than anticipate Tennyson doing the dumbest thing possible before he actually did it.

 

[GoldiFox]

Tennyson charging a forward off the rush in a short handed d-zone was just unimaginably stupid and irresponsible. Still upset he pissed away a point or two there.

 

[Bridgeman]

Obviously Tennyson ****ed that whole play up, but Hanifin needs to make a decision there and do something. I'll give him a pass since it happened so quickly, but I don't think that's the first time he's played a 1v2 that way.

Only on this board can Hanifin be blamed.... Then not blamed .... Then blamed again...lol

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

Only on this board can Hanifin be blamed.... Then not blamed .... Then blamed again...lol

I think what you mean, is only on this board, posters can have an informed discussion, even if there are disagreements about plays, without overt bias towards a player? Well, most of the time.

 

[tarheelhockey]

Yeah I don't see a lot of anti-Hanifin bias around here.

 

[Joe McGrath]

At worst what was said about that play is that Hanifin needs to work on his 2 on 1 decision making, like you know, every other 19 year old defenseman on the ****ing planet.

 

[The Faulker 27]

I think what you mean, is only on this board, posters can have an informed discussion, even if there are disagreements about plays, without overt bias towards a player? Well, most of the time.

Except for me with Murphy but I'm just a jerk.

 

[Unsustainable]

At worst what was said about that play is that Hanifin needs to work on his 2 on 1 decision making, like you know, every other 19 year old defenseman on the ****ing planet.

Obviously a bust for his hype.

 

[Navin R Slavin]

Only on this board can Hanifin be blamed.... Then not blamed .... Then blamed again...lol

You're being way too sensitive, Dad.

 

[Neighbor Lee]

that was an extremely disappointing loss, but really, I enjoy watching them play now. They're worth the price of admission, IMO, and i don't mind a bit lending my eyeballs to bump up their tv ratings.
Looking forward to the rest of the season.

 

[Roboturner913]

Hanifin is not Slavin but he's getting a lot better in terms of using his stick and body positioning to take away angles. I also feel like he's getting better at winning board battles, making the timely poke check, etc. When he gives up a play it seems like it's almost never entirely of his own making, and he doesn't make plays that really put the team in a hole.

Contrast that with Hainsey and his constantly icing the puck, or thinking he can get a slapshot through a wall of defenders, or those incredibly weak clearing attempts. Or some of Faulk's boneheaded plays that only seem to crop up at most inopportune times. If Noah does struggle with a couple things here and there they are pretty much nitpicks by comparison.

 

[geehaad]

Contrast that with Hainsey and his constantly icing the puck, or thinking he can get a slapshot through a wall of defenders, or those incredibly weak clearing attempts. Or some of Faulk's boneheaded plays that only seem to crop up at most inopportune times. If Noah does struggle with a couple things here and there they are pretty much nitpicks by comparison.

No. Hainsey and certainly Faulk are still better defenders than Hanifin, and the difference between them is not the awfulness of Hainsey/Faulk compared to trivial nit-picks against Hanifin. You have either allowed this train of thought to carry you away or you and I aren't watching the same team.

 

[Roboturner913]

No. Hainsey and certainly Faulk are still better defenders than Hanifin, and the difference between them is not the awfulness of Hainsey/Faulk compared to trivial nit-picks against Hanifin. You have either allowed this train of thought to carry you away or you and I aren't watching the same team.

I wasn't trying to say that Noah is better than Faulk, just comparing their mistakes in terms of how detrimental they tend to be. When Faulk screws up he really does it big. When Hanifin screws up, it's usually not quite so drastic. That is not the same as saying Hanifin is better than Faulk on the whole, clearly that is not the case.

I will step out on that Hanifin is better than Hainsey plank every day and twice on Sunday, because Hainsey is beyond awful right now and has been for most of this season.

 

[Joe McGrath]

I wasn't trying to say that Noah is better than Faulk, just comparing their mistakes in terms of how detrimental they tend to be. When Faulk screws up he really does it big. When Hanifin screws up, it's usually not quite so drastic. That is not the same as saying Hanifin is better than Faulk on the whole, clearly that is not the case.

I will step out on that Hanifin is better than Hainsey plank every day and twice on Sunday, because Hainsey is beyond awful right now and has been for most of this season.

When Faulk screws up big there's usually better players on the ice to make them pay, which may be why it appears his miscues are more devestating. Hainsey I suppose might have the same issue, but I agree with you that he's been putrid this season. Then again it took Tennyson all of 5 minutes of more difficult ice time to turn into a total gong show in his own end.

 

[Boom Boom Apathy]

For those in the trade Faulk camp, the only defensemen under contract next year are Slavin, Pesce, Hanifin and Murphy. Dahlbeck is an RFA; Hainsey and Tennyson are both UFAs.

 

[Joe McGrath]

For those in the trade Faulk camp, the only defensemen under contract next year are Slavin, Pesce, Hanifin and Murphy. Dahlbeck is an RFA; Hainsey and Tennyson are both UFAs.

Trading Faulk isn't happening until at the absolute earliest, after the expansion draft. And even then I don't think it's happening soon unless he wants out. Murphy and Tennyson aren't #4s and McKewon hasn't shown enough to just plop him into that role next year either.

My assumption is that the plan is to go into next year (depending on their respective development) with:

Slavin-Pesce
Hanifin-Faulk
Fleury/(Vet UFA)-McKewon
Murphy

If McKewon shows he can be a #4 and Hanifin and Slavin can QB the PP effectively, then you can start talking about moving Faulk for a forward.

TLR version, Faulk is at least a season and a half away from being traded.

 

[GoldiFox]

Given the Canes reported interest in Cam Fowler before the season started I think there will be some movement on the defense outside of a fringe UFA signing. A few good D should be available due to the expansion Draft.