Post-Game Talk: Jets win 4-3 (OT) against Dallas

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Adam da bomb

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Best winger IMO :laugh:
Kfc has definitely been the best winger this season. Hopefully Ehlers improves his game so they battle back and forth for that title. There have definitely been lots of moments KFC is our best forward this season. He set up PLD with a great pass in ot and he also was buzzing. He is our leading goal scorer and point player, he is a great play driver this season. It's easy to make an argument KFC has been our best forward this season. That said it's a really short sample to say he is our best forward. Also short sample to say he is our best winger, but, if he keeps up this play you could definitely make a case.
 
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No, Connor is not the Jets best forward now. He is the best LW though. :laugh:

I think a better question might be, is Dubois the Jets best forward now? I wonder how Scheifele will answer that question going forward?
I want to see Dubois be as consistently good as Scheifele for at least one year if not more to even entertain that notion.
 

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I want to see Dubois be as consistently good as Scheifele for at least one year if not more to even entertain that notion.

Agreed. It's an interesting parallel though as Dubois is the same age Scheifele was when he supplanted Little and Mark is the same age that Little was when it happened.

Not saying it will happen or happen right away but I think we want Dubois to do the same thing as Mark starts to exit his peak years. It sets this team up reallybwell if he does.
 

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I want to see Dubois be as consistently good as Scheifele for at least one year if not more to even entertain that notion.
Consistently good at what? putting up points as I think PLD's defensive game is already much better than Schief's so if they can finish fairly equally in terms of points you have to give the nod to PLD.
 

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Agreed. It's an interesting parallel though as Dubois is the same age Scheifele was when he supplanted Little and Mark is the same age that Little was when it happened.

Not saying it will happen or happen right away but I think we want Dubois to do the same thing as Mark starts to exit his peak years. It sets this team up reallybwell if he does.
We are probably 2-3 years before this happens and it will be a gradual process. They also have different skill sets. Mark’s bar is also higher than Little’s was.
 

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We are probably 2-3 years before this happens and it will be a gradual process. They also have different skill sets. Mark’s bar is also higher than Little’s was.

I could see it as soon as soon as next year if Dubois keeps it up and can continue to grow his defensive game.

I'm quite happy to have a 1a/1b situation as it really advances our chances of contending.

I also think it depends on line configuration, if they want to play Mark and Blake together then I think they are better utilized against softer matchups especially if Conner keeps his new found play driving ability going with Dubois.
 
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Consistently good at what? putting up points as I think PLD's defensive game is already much better than Schief's so if they can finish fairly equally in terms of points you have to give the nod to PLD.
His defensive game isn’t much better. People are just more forgiving. As PLD adds more offense to his game there will be an impact on the defensive side. You can’t be in 2 places at once and you can only skate as fast as you can.
 

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His defensive game isn’t much better. People are just more forgiving. As PLD adds more offense to his game there will be an impact on the defensive side. You can’t be in 2 places at once and you can only skate as fast as you can.
There are plenty of players that have maintained a high level of d and o. Mark Stone, Bergeron, Giroux. Schief isn't one of them. Hope PLD is.
 
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Really like what Dubois is doing. Jets haven't had a good 1 - 2 punch at center since..... Ever? Little was so injury prone. Very optimistic about this teams potential.
 
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There are plenty of players that have maintained a high level of d and o. Mark Stone, Bergeron, Giroux. Schief isn't one of them. Hope PLD is.
Giroux is elite defensively? Bergeron yes but he has played most of his career with outstanding defenceman. Stone is a winger so there is no comparison of defensive responsibilities. McDavid could use his skill set to be the best defensive center the world has ever seen but is it worth it to take away from his elite offensive abilities? There is always a trade off on both sides of the ice especially for centers.
 

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Giroux is elite defensively? Bergeron yes but he has played most of his career with outstanding defenceman. Stone is a winger so there is no comparison of defensive responsibilities. McDavid could use his skill set to be the best defensive center the world has ever seen but is it worth it to take away his elite offensive abilities? There is always a trade off on both sides of the ice especially for centers.
Okay you don't like Giroux and want a centre what about Barkov?
 

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Okay you don't like Giroux and want a centre what about Barkov?
Barkov is a good example. He is one of the most talented players in the league. He has spent his career being extremely strong defensively and scoring at a little under a PPG pace over his career. If he played a more offensive game he is likely challenging for the scoring race. It is uncertain what would be better for Florida IMO. There is always a balance.
 

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Barkov is a good example. He is one of the most talented players in the league. He has spent his career being extremely strong defensively and scoring at a little under a PPG pace over his career. If he played a more offensive game he is likely challenging for the scoring race. It is uncertain what would be better for Florida IMO. There is always a balance.
Yep, yet he still scores at a decent pace and is good defensively. With PLD I am hoping he is equally good as Schief but he scores less because he is focusing on his defensive responsibilities as that's what the team needs more. We have schief to put up the points, we need a guy who is capable of producing while shutting other teams best players down.
 

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Best winger IMO :laugh:

I still think Ehlers is better - but based on this year's play so far, and the production, I have to agree.

If Connor can continue to play like he has (and I don't mean just the scoring points), I will have to change that evaluation. He has been a lot more engaged, in all 3 zones. He is going after the puck and he is carrying the puck when he gets it. He is driving play instead of just cleaning up around the net. I love it!
 

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I want to see Dubois be as consistently good as Scheifele for at least one year if not more to even entertain that notion.

I just posed the question. I think he will push Scheifele to new heights - and to playing better in the D zone.
 

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I still think Ehlers is better - but based on this year's play so far, and the production, I have to agree.

If Connor can continue to play like he has (and I don't mean just the scoring points), I will have to change that evaluation. He has been a lot more engaged, in all 3 zones. He is going after the puck and he is carrying the puck when he gets it. He is driving play instead of just cleaning up around the net. I love it!
Agreed. Small sample size of 8 games but KFC has been better this season. There's a difference between playing better and being better and that's sample size. Over bigger sample gotta go with eels.
 
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Thanks for this. It stimulated a few thoughts.

Many of the "older" distance athletes in their late 30's or even early 40's are excellent at *strategy* and maximizing their own physiologic strengths. They do not make the mistake of blowing out energy to establish a lead when a comfortable top 10 position is in the offing.

Having said that distance events are not the same thing as a sprint-centric sport like hockey, where the players often skirt the wall of maximum aerobic capacity, dive deep into anaerobic respiration, expending energy in their skeletal muscle to the point of exhaustion and taking themselves beyond aerobic capacity - followed by a short recovery. The average hockey player requires extraordinarily good vascular function, particularly of the great arteries - to allow storage of potential energy into the vascular wall, expended during brief cardiac relaxation phase, which contributes to high vascular efficiency. Older individuals, on average, lose this ability for energy storage as the large arteries become less and less able to muster capacitance - this is due to changes in fibrillar collagen and elastin content in the wall of the great arteries. The vascular system becomes less efficient, and so the aerobic capacity of the athlete will gradually fall over time.

Tom Brady will rarely need maximum aerobic capacity, and so this is not his limitation per se, for him its the maintenance of insanely high motor skill/hand-eye coordination. The loss of vascular function I mentioned above will influence athletes like Blake Wheeler and other hockey players who rely heavily on maximum output and who go there every game. He knows what to do, but his body is simply not capable of those extraordinary feats of cardiac output and quick recovery any more.

You make a lot of very good points, and I agree with a lot of them. With the Tom Brady example, you are right, as a lot of his strength is "mental" and has a very fast mind, and great eye hand coordination. A lot of being a QB is mental -- reading the field, and making quick smart decisions.

With the hockey players, you have some great points, however a lot of players could get more longevity out of their careers with good health maintenance. I think Gordie Howe played into his late 40's.
 
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Jets have quite a stacked team now, and should be able to contend for the Cup. There's no glaring weaknesses on this team, as far as I can see. The biggest thing that was added was PLD to fill that hole at 2nd line center we so desperately needed. Defense also is pretty solid.
 
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That was pretty funny.
One of the threads before Wheeler came back I had suggested that when Blake and Scheif made their return that Maurice (for the short term) should just put them with Lowry because the other lines were going pretty good at that time.
I also qualified my statement with a "this will never happen" caveat.

I was stunned when I saw the lines.
I think it worked pretty well over all and make the Jets dangerous through 3 lines instead of 2.

Dubois was looking so dominant with his puck possession.
If this guy is more consistently the real deal the Jets are in pretty good shape as we'd have two #1 centers.

Keep racking up the points at home!
 

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one thing I like about our offense is we seem to be getting more traffic in front and are getting more deflection goals, now all we need to do is stop over passing on odd man rushes
 
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one thing I like about our offense is we seem to be getting more traffic in front and are getting more deflection goals, now all we need to do is stop over passing on odd man rushes

Getting rid of the replacement level D has increased the puck handling ability inside the offensive zone. This is something I've noticed in a general way. Schmidt is a breath of fresh air. Lots more quality shots getting through (no idea if this is actually backed by data but not seeing Poolman flub it into shinpads is nice).
 

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Thanks for this. It stimulated a few thoughts.

Many of the "older" distance athletes in their late 30's or even early 40's are excellent at *strategy* and maximizing their own physiologic strengths. They do not make the mistake of blowing out energy to establish a lead when a comfortable top 10 position is in the offing.

Having said that distance events are not the same thing as a sprint-centric sport like hockey, where the players often skirt the wall of maximum aerobic capacity, dive deep into anaerobic respiration, expending energy in their skeletal muscle to the point of exhaustion and taking themselves beyond aerobic capacity - followed by a short recovery. The average hockey player requires extraordinarily good vascular function, particularly of the great arteries - to allow storage of potential energy into the vascular wall, expended during brief cardiac relaxation phase, which contributes to high vascular efficiency. Older individuals, on average, lose this ability for energy storage as the large arteries become less and less able to muster capacitance - this is due to changes in fibrillar collagen and elastin content in the wall of the great arteries. The vascular system becomes less efficient, and so the aerobic capacity of the athlete will gradually fall over time.

Tom Brady will rarely need maximum aerobic capacity, and so this is not his limitation per se, for him its the maintenance of insanely high motor skill/hand-eye coordination. The loss of vascular function I mentioned above will influence athletes like Blake Wheeler and other hockey players who rely heavily on maximum output and who go there every game. He knows what to do, but his body is simply not capable of those extraordinary feats of cardiac output and quick recovery any more.
Well said..I would add it’s important to manage diet, such as promoting foods that have elastase inhibitors..
 
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re: Dubois usurping Scheif, I think people have started to take Scheifele for granted around here. Other than having more speed and physicality there's not much that Dubois does better than Scheifele (or even as well as) when Scheif's on top of his game. Being a legitimate 1C while putting up 80+ points (14 goals in a playoff run, also) is quite the ask of any centre in the NHL. hopefully Dubois can sustain this production to some extent, and I sure would love to see it, but realistically Dubois' hockey IQ and raw offensive talent just aren't really quite on Scheifele's level and so I think expectations may be getting out of hand a little bit

(not blaming anyone for being excited since that's what being a fans all about, just offering a different perspective)
 

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Sucks to giveaway a point to Dallas that they didn’t really deserve. That Benn goal was also a travesty. Laughably bad to let him get completely alone like that.

Other than that, mostly good. I thought Comrie was good in the spot start, and Dubois continues to impress. Copp and Connor also flying.

Scheifele looked good too. If him and Dubois can sustain their level of play we’re a scary team for the opposition, especially when we can throw Lowry out there to shut down the other team’s 1C.
 
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