Post-Game Talk: Jets tame the mustard kittens 3-0

[Howard Chuck]

Canada live. Jets later. The Junior broadcast isn't going to spoil the Jets game.

“Yager scores as a jets prospect, who are leading the Avalanche 15-0 tonight”

 

[Howard Chuck]

Yeah, MacK will eat that 2nd pair's lunch and supper tomorrow night. Dude is f***ing scary.

He must have a huge appetite, he eats everyone’s lunch!

 

[ps241]

Other than the female broadcaster who clearly can't make cogent observations the Prime broadcast is simply better. Better video quality, better graphics, better content and better production. They really hit it out of the park. I want to see more.

I wonder if they can just take over our SNET broadcasts which are hot trash.

For the game - man, Coghlan really impressed. It's so great to know we have an NHL quality defenseman as depth in case of injury but I don't know that he will clear another waivers run.

Stanley was good again. If he keeps playing like this, no way Heinola will be able to break in. I think it's time to deal him.

Top line was marvelous.

Glad Stan had a good game. He is certainly capable of playing well once in a while but I think that is true of most 7-8 D men. The key always is how often do you play well vs not well, and who are you matched up against when it’s happening. The next level up for Stan is playing his better version way more often and being able to be trusted night in night out as a #6. We have been waiting 6 years for it and who knows maybe 2025 is year he finds that next level (not being sarcastic).

 

[ps241]

He must have a huge appetite, he eats everyone’s lunch!

He does own the league. He had 140 points last season, he has 60 points this season in 37 games.

Not only does he kill everyone he does it in a uber flashy way making everyone look terrible

 

[Romang67]

He must have a huge appetite, he eats everyone’s lunch!

I would eat other people's lunch too if I had his boring ass diet.

https://www.gq.com/story/real-life-diet-nathan-mackinnon

 

[ps241]

Can you imagine taking your developing team, and in the space of a year turning them into an old, aging out core that will need a rebuild?

Doing stupid shit like giving us Neiderrater before they went on that big run a couple of years ago was just the start.

They should be a case study for any smart GM. UFA's don't make a team. Assembling a bunch of random players does not make a team.

We see it all the time in international play where a country throws together a gold mine of talent and they just suck.

July 1st can be a nightmare time to add based on history. It’s the same reason I push back with TD overreach. Team chemistry is a huge thing and I don’t think you need to “load up” etc etc. I think sometimes you just have to kick the hell out of it with the team that got you there. All Star teams rarely work. Adding “depth” never hurts but trying to fix something that is not broken to a team that is at the top of the league can backfire.

 

[Jets 31]

So nice he did it twice.

 

[sipowicz]

He's not slow.

He's not fast, average skater at best

team doesn't need anymore slow small guys

 

[Adam da bomb]

Yeah if I'm Chevy I keep rotating him in, hoping that he makes him make a tough decision, OR ups his value. That way you can keep your depth just in case.

Best case Ontario is that he just busts out and makes it impossible for Arniel to not play him, but that's highly unlikely.
Second best case is he continues to build, and ups his value at the TDL.

so wonder if Heinola comes into next game or if they go back with Stan.

 

[voyageur]

so wonder if Heinola comes into next game or if they go back with Stan.

PK is in Stan's favour. I think the question is Coghlan or Heinola?

What do fans think of replacing the first bottom six injury by calling up the Moose captain? Toninato is well liked by everyone up there, part of the dog owners club, and the UMD alumni.

But for all the prospects the Jets have that's a strange one on the surface.

That said it wouldn't surprise me to see Toninato as more productive than Gustafsson if he sees some action. Don't think Gus even took a shift on the PK last night?

 

[Adam da bomb]

PK is in Stan's favour. I think the question is Coghlan or Heinola?

What do fans think of replacing the first bottom six injury by calling up the Moose captain? Toninato is well liked by everyone up there, part of the dog owners club, and the UMD alumni.

But for all the prospects the Jets have that's a strange one on the surface.

That said it wouldn't surprise me to see Toninato as more productive than Gustafsson if he sees some action. Don't think Gus even took a shift on the PK last night?

I wonder if Toni even plays or if they just brought him up for a paycheck while he sits in the pb with our extra d.

 

[voyageur]

Yeah you really have to feel for the kid. Just shit circumstance after shit circumstance. He could really use a change of scenery on a team that will have him as an everyday player.

Is there such a team though?

There's probably half of the NHL teams/coaches that wouldn't even sniff him because of his lack of physicality. Getting to run a PP might be his forte, but who has a team need like that. Florida? I'd be surprised if Maurice who likes physicality from his defense would take that chance.

A bust 1st rd pick usually trades for a 4th. So I'd say he's probably worth keeping around in that case.

 

[GNP]

He likely won’t be making $4 M next season as he will be a UFA. I don’t think he even gets $3 M next season

I think Chevy would go $ 2.8 to 3 M on Iaffalo, but no more.

 

[Adam da bomb]

I think Chevy would go $ 2.8 to 3 M on Iaffalo, but no more.

Wonder if they need to go with someone much cheaper to keep Ehlers.

 

[BoneDocUK]

I know some of what probably saves Chevy is guys not wanting to play here but man are we lucky to have a GM like Chevy. Its partly why i'm not concerned about Ehlers because i really believe Chevy signs him again. But if Ehlers says he wants out i'm also very confident Chevy would get a good return on Ehlers.

Agree.

I suspect that Ehlers enjoys his expanded role under Arniel this year. Who'd have thought that Ehlers skillset of high-end zone entry, passing, shooting and puck possession might make him a useful asset on PP1?

On the flipside, it took this long to get him that expanded role, and then only under Arniel, and I'm not sure he sticks around.

If he's shopped at the TDL he's instantly in the top tier of FAs and should being a nice return, but the Jets lose a fair bit of potency from that terrifying PP, which matters even more in the POs, and they also lose the keystone of the 2nd line. Yeah, yeah, Ehlers sucks in the POs, but do you bet on this not being the year an elite player suddenly carries that skill into the postseason?

Tough one.

 

[Gil Fisher]

Prime example of people simply refusing to give Stanley credit. I thought he was really solid again.

Eye test good? Use analytics. Both good, pull shit out of your ass.

Sorry I can't have a different opinion than you and your cheerleaders. I call it as I see it.

He had one of his better games of the year, but there were plenty of flaws - losing angles, losing battles, missing poke checks, getting outmuscled and losing board battles, getting caught flat-footed in transition. I saw an example of all of that last night. I'm sorry you didn't.

I have no axe against Stanley. Towards this time last year, I was thinking he was developing into a serviceable 3rd pairing defensemen. In the last 40-50 games he's played, i've changed my mind. I think we've seen enough of him now. He's 25.

I don't have a dog in this fight (for 3LD). I've definitely wanted Ville to get a 30 game runway so I can make an assessment, but I'm not confident he's the answer. If we were starting the playoffs tomorrow, I don't know who I'd start between Fleury, Stanley and Heinola at 3LD. I'd probably go with Fleury, but I'm very concerned he's a tools-no-tool-box guy.

But for christ's sake, let me have an opinion on this board.

Plus, all these chronic eye test guys on here using SINGLE GAME analytics to assess performance. lol.


edit: @GJF for you too

edit 2: apologies for the rage; kids need to go back to school (ie there still may be more rage before the week is out)

 

[GNP]

Wonder if they need to go with someone much cheaper to keep Ehlers.

I was thinking the same thing on Iaffalo, and that's likely what will happen if Nik decides he wants to stay here, and I think there's a good chance. Also Connor is up the next year, so you have to keep the contracts tight and under control.

 

[voyageur]

So nice he did it twice.

The first one was funny because I'm pretty sure by Ehlers reaction he flubbed the cross crease pass to Scheif, and it just ended up on Vilardi's stick. Second one was nice, very nice.

He was talking on CJOB how a lot of his goals are back door tap ins and he tries not to celebrate them too much.

Thought it was interesting that his career high in any level is 63 games. Probably a big reason why the Kings gave up on him. Wonder if anything changed with strength and conditioning coming to the Jets organization.

 

[GNP]

I've been very impressed with this Coghlan guy, and I would play him way before I'd play Tiny Heiny. All day long. Putting him on waivers again, I think he'll get claimed.

 

[Stumbledore]

I actually stayed out of the GDT so that I could focus on the broadcast. I wanted to actually get a feel for what Prime was delivering and I have to say I was pleasantly surprised.

I don't know if it was by design or just a good crew but they were pretty much unbiased from my perspective.

They were a good crew, except for the bimbo, but I think the reason they were unbiased was because they didn't give a shit who won.

 

[voyageur]

I've been very impressed with this Coghlan guy, and I would play him way before I'd play Tiny Heiny. All day long. Putting him on waivers again, I think he'll get claimed.

9 game window before he goes back on waivers I believe. Sammy should be in the lineup before then...Getting him through was a big boost for depth.

 

[Gil Fisher]

The first one was funny because I'm pretty sure by Ehlers reaction he flubbed the cross crease pass to Scheif, and it just ended up on Vilardi's stick. Second one was nice, very nice.

He was talking on CJOB how a lot of his goals are back door tap ins and he tries not to celebrate them too much.

Thought it was interesting that his career high in any level is 63 games. Probably a big reason why the Kings gave up on him. Wonder if anything changed with strength and conditioning coming to the Jets organization.

Gabe has this clever trick of standing right on the post so the one-timer can just hit him and bank into the net. I think that shot last night hit his chest, then the post, then fell to his feet for the tap in.

It's great idea to get right up to the post though.

 

[voyageur]

Agree.

I suspect that Ehlers enjoys his expanded role under Arniel this year. Who'd have thought that Ehlers skillset of high-end zone entry, passing, shooting and puck possession might make him a useful asset on PP1?

On the flipside, it took this long to get him that expanded role, and then only under Arniel, and I'm not sure he sticks around.

If he's shopped at the TDL he's instantly in the top tier of FAs and should being a nice return, but the Jets lose a fair bit of potency from that terrifying PP, which matters even more in the POs, and they also lose the keystone of the 2nd line. Yeah, yeah, Ehlers sucks in the POs, but do you bet on this not being the year an elite player suddenly carries that skill into the postseason?

Tough one.

I think almost every PP goes through Scheifele for zone entry. The skating is in zone rotation and angles mostly with Nik.

Funny I thought he had some bad turnovers and let pucks get by him on the boards. Not his strongest game, but criticizing the golden child instead of Stan is taboo.

 

[Buffdog]

Sorry I can't have a different opinion than you and your cheerleaders. I call it as I see it.

He had one of his better games of the year, but there were plenty of flaws - losing angles, losing battles, missing poke checks, getting outmuscled and losing board battles, getting caught flat-footed in transition. I saw an example of all of that last night. I'm sorry you didn't.

I have no axe against Stanley. Towards this time last year, I was thinking he was developing into a serviceable 3rd pairing defensemen. In the last 40-50 games he's played, i've changed my mind. I think we've seen enough of him now. He's 25.

I don't have a dog in this fight (for 3LD). I've definitely wanted Ville to get a 30 game runway so I can make an assessment, but I'm not confident he's the answer. If we were starting the playoffs tomorrow, I don't know who I'd start between Fleury, Stanley and Heinola at 3LD. I'd probably go with Fleury, but I'm very concerned he's a tools-no-tool-box guy.

But for christ's sake, let me have an opinion on this board.

Plus, all these chronic eye test guys on here using SINGLE GAME analytics to assess performance. lol.


edit: @GJF for you too

It's fine to objectively critique a player like that as long as you do it to everyone. The bolded happens to every dman, every game - even the best ones

I had an epiphony watching my kids play sports. I used to notice all their little f*** ups... and then when I started watching all the other kids more closely, I realized that they ALL f*** up, but i never really noticed because I tended to be hyper focused on watching MY kids. Same with the NHL. If you're actively watching Stan, waiting for him to screw up, you'll notice it a lot more

Its like the red car exercise. If I asked you how many red cars you saw the last time you drove, you'd have no idea. But if I told you to keep track of all the red cars you see next time you drive, you'll notice them all. In fact, some people might conclude from that that there are more red cars than other colors... which isn't true. But your brain would think there is

Edit: I've been accused of being a "stats hater" in the past but this is EXACTLY why they're useful. You can compare objective outcome (stats) with subjective analysis (eye test). If they don't match, sometime the issue lies with the examiner and their biases, not the player in question

 

[Johnnucleo]

The look on Namestikov's face when he turned around and saw Josi already teeing up that slapper, holy moly, lol. No chance he was getting out of the way on time, and just had that look where everything slows down, and in his head hears "hello darkness my old friend........" as his life flashes before his eyes