Proposal: Jets & Sens - Mark Stone

[ProspectsSTC]

Yeah if I was Ottawa I'm honestly not sure I'd trade Stone for Laine. And I love Laine.

 

[Sureves]

Yeah if I was Ottawa I'm honestly not sure I'd trade Stone for Laine. And I love Laine.

Laine is a great prospect and is almost assuredly going to be a good NHL player. But how good is the question.

60p?
70p?
80p?
90p?
100p?

I think Stone (60-70p and superb defensive play and "big game" elevation) is worth - or close to worth - an 80p player.

So unless we are going to say that Laine is, without a doubt (which there always is with prospects), a 90p+ player, then it's not a stretch to say we want Laine if we are moving Stone.

I personally am not comfortable guaranteeing that Laine will be a 90+ point player consistently.

 

[Clamshells]

re:Clamshells
That's why I started off with 3 usable players to off set the loss of Stone, KC will most likely be the best of the bunch.

Ottawa is pretty strong in the middle with Turris, Brassard, Pageau, so that Little doesn't fill a hole in the roster, just more of the same. Stafford is not even close to the same level of winger as Stone. As an option to replace MacArthur, I'd be on board with that, but not as an option to replace Stone. Connor could be that guy a few years down the road, but by then Karlsson has left the team because it missed the playoffs every year inbetween.

Maybe if the deal was closer to Laine+Trouba for Stone+Ceci+something, it could work from Ottawa's end, but it seems like a ridiculous ask.

 

[Nac Mac Feegle]

Only way Stone moves is if the Sens decide to blow up the roster and completely rebuild.

 

[Moon Man]

No need for Stone. No thx

Yup.

 

[bert]

Starting this because I want to see how much it would HURT to acquire Mark Stone and also it would be awesome to have with play again with Mark Scheifele.

So I'll start.



Bryan Little+Drew Stafford+Kyle Connor

Mark Stone+<L D-Man>+<small Cap Dump>

Really could have offered many other things but that just leaves room for your adjustments!

Let it Flow.

If it doesnt have Sheifele or Laine in the deal forget about it (i wouldnt do that if I were you guys either). He is the best forward on the team by far and is debatably the most underated player in the NHL at this point. Why would ottawa do a quantity deal for its only legit star forward. The sens have scoring depth.

 

[JetsHomer]

I would say remove all 3 of the assets in your OP, and start again with some of the assets I named. Your "starting point" is not actually a reasonable starting point.

We don't want nickels and dimes for our loonie.

If you think Bryan Little is 'nickels and dimes' you don't know much about Bryan Little. Would you consider Turris 'nickels and dimes'?
Keep in mind that Little is better than Turris

 

[ffh]

Little + Connor + 1st

for

Stone + MacArthur

Still wouldnt do it

little is better then stone alone good thing your not a gm

 

[Stuzchuk]

so, yu're asking for our most talented FWD I see... Laine it is. Not interested in OP what so ever

 

[Maukkis]

No wingers for us. Just don't think about it.

 

[Whileee]

Little is getting underrated here. Scores almost as much as Stone and is a terrific defensive center who faces all of the toughest match-ups and still has very positive shot metrics.

 

[Brock Radunske]

Stone has been in the league for 2 years, narrowly lost the Calder to Ekblad and finished 2nd in voting.

He scored over 20g and 60p in both years and was #1 in the league in takeaways in both years, leading by 66% in his second year.

Laine is likely going to be a better offensive player than Stone and will likely put up more points, but Stone is good for 60-70 points a year at least and guaranteed to be a puck possession monster and excellent defensive player.

So no, I reject your statement unless you're virtually certain that Laine will consistently be a 90+ point player because you know something I don't. If he's going to be a 70-80 point guy, then I don't see how they are in substantially different value tiers.

Yeh but Laine is shiny and just got finished ripping the World Cup a new one, right?

 

[JetsHomer]

Yeh but Laine is shiny and just got finished ripping the World Cup a new one, right?

Laine is also 18 and looks like a top 6 winger right now. I'd be surprised if Laine isn't a 20g, 60 point guy within the next 6 years.

 

[Clamshells]

If you think Bryan Little is 'nickels and dimes' you don't know much about Bryan Little. Would you consider Turris 'nickels and dimes'?
Keep in mind that Little is better than Turris

Turris is the one getting underrated here. Anyone who looks at his numbers for the season without understanding the context of his injury, and playing through it when it was obvious to everyone that he shouldn't have been, shouldn't be commenting on the quality of player that Turris is.

11g 22p in 26 games pre injury (35/70 in 82 pace)
2g 8p in 31 games after the injury.

Turris was looking like a genuine 1C, not just a great 2C. Turris is also very responsible defensively.

If anything, Turris, Brassard, and Little are in the same tier of centermen.

Little is getting underrated here. Scores almost as much as Stone and is a terrific defensive center who faces all of the toughest match-ups and still has very positive shot metrics.

Little is not getting underrated. Just look at Ottawa's C depth, then look at Ottawa's RW depth. Why would Ottawa trade their best RW and all around best forward, for a player that's in contention for best forward, and might slot anywhere from 1 to 3C? It makes no sense in terms of team structure.

 

[almostawake]

Jets have absolutely no need for a winger.

 

[SixthSens]

While the value is fair, I still wouldn't do it.

Laine-Schiefele-Stone would destroy other teams though.

 

[Pierce Hawthorne]

Wow that's pretty bad for the Jets.


Little and Stone is close to a wash(edge to Stone for age) and you want to throw Connor in on top of that?



Yikes.

 

[Sureves]

Wow that's pretty bad for the Jets.


Little and Stone is close to a wash(edge to Stone for age) and you want to throw Connor in on top of that?



Yikes.

This is nothing short of an insane post.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Stone has been in the league for 2 years, narrowly lost the Calder to Ekblad and finished 2nd in voting.

He scored over 20g and 60p in both years and was #1 in the league in takeaways in both years, leading by 66% in his second year.

Laine is likely going to be a better offensive player than Stone and will likely put up more points, but Stone is good for 60-70 points a year at least and guaranteed to be a puck possession monster and excellent defensive player.

So no, I reject your statement unless you're virtually certain that Laine will consistently be a 90+ point player because you know something I don't. If he's going to be a 70-80 point guy, then I don't see how they are in substantially different value tiers.

I have every reason to believe that health Permitting he will be an 85+ point player in his prime

 

[Whileee]

I have every reason to believe that health Permitting he will be an 85+ point player in his prime

Stone's 24. How far is he from his prime? This age usually is prime for scoring.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

Stone's 24. How far is he from his prime? This age usually is prime for scoring.

My response was in reference to Laine

 

[Sureves]

I have every reason to believe that health Permitting he will be an 85+ point player in his prime

I mean I guess we'll see, personally I think the odds of that happening are less than 50%.

Not many players score 85 points nowadays. I will say I haven't seen Laine play much at all; he was great at the WJC though.

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

I mean I guess we'll see, personally I think the odds of that happening are less than 50%.

Not many players score 85 points nowadays. I will say I haven't seen Laine play much at all; he was great at the WJC though.

Truthfully I think Mathews and Laine will both be 85+ point players in their prime

The ONLY reason I take Mathews over Laine is because Mathews addresses our need for a centre

 

[OmniSens]

Stone's value is at an all-time low, who knows if he'll ever be the same player with these concussion issues.

A minor concussion won't lower your value this much. Unless you guys were thinking of MacArthur?

 

[LEAFANFORLIFE23]

A minor concussion won't lower your value this much. Unless you guys were thinking of MacArthur?

As someone who has had them, there is no such thing as a minor concussion it does not exist.